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Deporting United States Citizens

 
 
gollum
 
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:21 pm
Can the U.S. deport one or more of its own citizens?

It might be more cost effective than imprisonment. I believe the English used to deport people to Australia (a colony) and Russia/USSR deported to Siberia (own country).
 
engineer
 
  1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:31 pm
@gollum,
Committing a crime does not strip one of his or her citizenship.
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gollum
 
  -2  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:33 pm
@gollum,
Addendum

I read that one or more U.S. States after convicting one of its citizens of a crime, will sentence him/her to live somewhere outside the subject State.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:44 pm
@gollum,
No, you can't deport citizens.
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jespah
 
  3  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:46 pm
@gollum,
What?

Unless you've got a cite for this, I am quite sure it's not something that can be done. Within a state, yes. See -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/16/this-is-why-some-u-s-judges-banish-convicts-from-their-home-communities/

That's to remove people from communities (and I can see where it could be used to move sex offenders from living near schools), not to send Texans to Arkansas.
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maxdancona
 
  2  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 03:59 pm
@gollum,
Where would you deport us to?
gollum
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 04:31 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona-

A person convicted by a State court would need to leave that State and live in either in one of the remaining 49 States or in a foreign country.
maxdancona
 
  2  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 09:04 pm
@gollum,
gollum wrote:

maxdancona-

A person convicted by a State court would need to leave that State and live in either in one of the remaining 49 States or in a foreign country.


And would we take convicts from foreign countries?
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maxdancona
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2021 09:06 pm
@gollum,
gollum wrote:

maxdancona-

A person convicted by a State court would need to leave that State and live in either in one of the remaining 49 States or in a foreign country.


The more I think about the idea... the more it could work. Maybe we could have a crime for each state. All of the rapists could go to Alabama, the murderers to Mississipi and the Tax cheats (of course) to New Jersey. That way there would be no confusion.
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glitterbag
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2021 09:42 pm
@gollum,
gollum wrote:

maxdancona-

A person convicted by a State court would need to leave that State and live in either in one of the remaining 49 States or in a foreign country.


I don't know which country you are thinking of, but it isn't the United States. We don't banish people to Malta, some religious cults will practice 'shunning'...But that's not part of the secular Constitution.
maxdancona
 
  -1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2021 11:16 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

gollum wrote:

maxdancona-

A person convicted by a State court would need to leave that State and live in either in one of the remaining 49 States or in a foreign country.


I don't know which country you are thinking of, but it isn't the United States. We don't banish people to Malta, some religious cults will practice 'shunning'...But that's not part of the secular Constitution.


Shunning is something we do in the modern day UA (the liberals, that is).

Look at what happened to Al Franken. That is a perfect example of liberal shunning.

glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 12:20 am
@maxdancona,
I will never forgive Gillibrand for that.
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Lady Lingiton
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 12:27 am
@gollum,
Incarceration is increasingly popular in some cultures.

Quote:
I believe the English used to deport people ...


"It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America and the majority landed in the Chesapeake Colonies of Maryland and Virginia. Transported convicts represented perhaps one-quarter of all British emigrants during the 18th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony#:~:text=It%20is%20estimated%20that%20some,emigrants%20during%20the%2018th%20century.

glitterbag
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 12:43 am
@Lady Lingiton,
France also dumped a number of 'criminals' off the Coast of North Carolina....those who managed to swim became tobacco farmers, those who couldn't drowned.

However, after the American revolution the U.S. didn't allow Great Britain to off load their criminals.
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 05:12 am
Every time we accept an immigrant into our own country we should send one of our own citizens (preferably a Trump supporter) back to the immigrant's country; thus keeping both populations stable. We need to see more red hats in those "s*** hole" countries the president was griping about.
Sturgis
 
  2  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 08:47 am
@hightor,
Wasn't that the idea in the movie It's A Surreal Life with JimJim Stuart?
"Every time a Trumpie giggles, the Russians get another worker in Siberia "



As to Citizen deportation, I believe that this
might be a process to naturalized citizens However, their citizenship has been stripped, which eliminates the idea of a citizen being removed since they no longer are. Possibly the sort of thing which has happened with former Nazis under Hitler who came to hide in the U.S., at times using an alias. After being discovered, the wheels of exporting start rotating...
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 08:56 am
One of the sixteen year old girls who went to Syria to marry IS fighters, Shamima Begum, is currently fighting a court case to get her citizenship back.

She was a British citizen, but her parents are from Bangladesh. Bangladesh has already said they won’t give her citizenship so she’s currently stateless.

I think her citizenship should never have been taken away, she was a kid when she went to Syria, and an idiot, but weren’t we all stupid at that age?
Themightyquinn
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 01:50 pm
@gollum,
So if some maniac rapes my daughter in Charleston he then moves, by court order, to Va. to rape one of my other daughters, stopping on the way in NC to rape my third dsaughter? Makes sense. In Bizzaro world
maxdancona
 
  1  
Tue 5 Jan, 2021 01:54 pm
@Themightyquinn,
Themightyquinn wrote:

So if some maniac rapes my daughter in Charleston he then moves, by court order, to Va. to rape one of my other daughters, stopping on the way in NC to rape my third dsaughter? Makes sense. In Bizzaro world



We could just line him up and shoot him in Charlestown. Killing someone is always cleaner and easier than deportation.
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gollum
 
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Tue 5 Jan, 2021 02:07 pm
@Themightyquinn,
Themightyquinn-

I would incarcerate any person who was convicted of rape and is considered at risk of committing it again.
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