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The job of Philosophy

 
 
htam9876
 
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Reply Fri 11 Dec, 2020 06:15 am
Piggy said again and again: no free will could exist in this world. The absolute will of the First order will put human liberation into their iron coffin box.
……………………………..
Now, philosophy to decide piggy’s fate:
Piggy reiterates again and again worldwide that due to the cruel and absolute and all around dark sanction by the First Order, piggy is in bad heath and very bad mental situation and I am not qualified for the semi – half payment watchman they nailed for me forever.
Logically, that means piggy has to die hard in what CN.
给他江门地方黑恶势力钟永康集团及新会一中九一四班谁谁一个超文革赛阎王光荣称号快快全世界全宇宙打靶啦。当今时代,全世界没有什么人能够值得如此殊荣。呵呵
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2020 02:06 am
@htam9876,
It’ a bit of an imbalance to say there is no free will when there might be don’t you think.We observe balanced principles/laws at work in our world so why would anyone want to think/believe that the topic of free will is only one sided as in ...there is no free will...
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2020 06:02 am
@Jasper10,
Hey Jasper, how are you this AM,
For me, The test for free will is this:
The only rational response to finding that there is no free will, is suicide.

Still here. Guess I have free will.
Your mileage may vary.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 12 Dec, 2020 06:23 am
@Leadfoot,
Hey Leadfoot, I’m fine thank you, hope you are too.I’m still dipping in and out of forums giving my humble opinions for what they are worth.I feel that many people are of the opinion that they are not worth much at all ...but hey ho...Crickey suicide is a pretty drastic example to put forward isn’t it....but I suppose you are right....The future’s bright...May God bless you this day.
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:11 am
@Leadfoot,
You make an actual fairly good point there. For those who really see the implications of what it entails to not have free will the idea of suicide is almost justified. I still don't believe there is any middle ground in between and I still don't believe in free will. Soft Determinism or Compatiblism is a political spin-off born precisely of the imperative need to try to avoid a massive depression in the species if as it seems more and more to be the case that Hard Determinism will win the debate in less that two decades. Daniel Dennet has made a fairly good job out of that by muddling the waters well enough.

With all candour I am a bit ahead of the curve regarding the problem at hand here. I am now much more concerned with the problem of making Determinism (Perfect Correlation I don't believe much in naive causation) palatable to the masses so to avoid a existential crisis. The things I write here in the Philosophy forums I would never dream to assume directly onto the public sphere arena on places like the social media.

Thankfully I know very little do read what I write. Some because they are convinced I am totally nuts and a few others that think that I am totally on the money which are a handful. In that strict context I can speak my mind to my hearts content and follow my inevitable line of thought as I am thankfully invisible!
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:30 am
@Albuquerque,
As I have already said.When it comes to philosophy one is either a spectator or a player.The spectators logic can be illogical because it can contradict the very laws at work within nature which includes that very individual.One can’t therefore say there is no free will without also saying that there is free will.To do so goes against the laws of nature which are balanced.Why do you think the laws of the mind are any different? One can go against this principle if one wishes out of CHOICE but it is illogical to do so in my opinion.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:39 am
@Jasper10,
I do get what you mean but you see my problem is actually very small regarding this topic, it is almost as if I am splitting hairs with language.
I don't have any problem with the idea of Will or Volition I just don't think for a second the word free there is needed whatsoever. And I don't believe, in this Universe at least, there is more than ONE History going on. When it finishes or loops or whatever the History will be one not two. There is nothing free about it!
You having a will and volition does not make a case for the actual meaning of the word free to be placed behind it. You do WHAT YOU ARE, and you are out of the whole shebang, one thing.
People act like they do because they HAVE REASONS...each reason is a prison not freedom! And obviously if you are what you are you could NOT have done otherwise!
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:40 am
@Albuquerque,
Sorry also meant to challenge you on something.When you say that you are invisible presumably you mean that you consider yourself spiritual?
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:46 am
@Jasper10,
Regarding the number of people that not only read me but do get what I mean and considering my terrible English summed up with my disdain for formalism rather than straight forward conversation you can well say that I am "spiritual" in the sense that I am an eccentric abstraction no one cares about. I feel comfortable and grateful with the situation that I find myself in!
Talking myself into walls and rocks feels and is ironically liberating!
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 01:59 am
@Albuquerque,
I know what you mean...it’s good to be different though.It gets us all thinking even if at first we don’t fully agree with what has been said.
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Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 13 Dec, 2020 07:05 am
@Albuquerque,
Quote:
I am now much more concerned with the problem of making Determinism (Perfect Correlation I don't believe much in naive causation) palatable to the masses so to avoid a existential crisis.

Oh my, I fear we are working at cross purposes. My desire is to encourage those existential crises which you seek to avoid.

But true, neither desire will make you popular.
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crackedhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 12:24 am
Philosophy obviously exists for only one thing
nacredambition
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 12:45 am
@crackedhead,
Thank you for pointing that out.
crackedhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 01:09 am
@nacredambition,
To make people feel good.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 01:46 am
@crackedhead,
That can be said of all Human activity, and Cultural behaviour at large!
As for Philosophy that matters, Historically it has been scorned for making exactly the opposite when questioning and shacking the status quo...

Scientists don't like it...(pragmatists)
Theologians don't like it...(Idealists)
Common sense hates it. (dumb people)

...and still the unavoidable long arm of Philosophy is there because in the end of the day they all do it whether they call it Philosophy or not! (The naming is not important)
crackedhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 01:58 am
@Albuquerque,
And that is the answer. Feeling good about anything is all Philosophy is. The status quo is what makes Philosophy even a thing. Historically.
Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 02:02 am
@crackedhead,
What kind of Philosophy are you addressing? The one that matters or the one which entertains? I am guessing you are on the entertainment branch judging by your previous answers...fear not, I believe entertainment is also important and much needed!
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 02:09 am
@Albuquerque,
One needs to start connecting Philosophy with all the other sciences as they are all interconnected.
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Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 02:14 am
Philosophy is the sort of activity that you start doing when you awake up before breakfast, that you keep on doing while driving to work planning your day, and that you barely stop doing when you fall asleep on a dreamless night!
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crackedhead
 
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Reply Sun 27 Dec, 2020 02:16 am
@Albuquerque,
What kind of Philosophy are you addressing? That is the question on everyone's mind. Another problem with Philosophy that everyone ignores or doesn't know about or just doesn't want to solve is Philosophy's simplicity. Either way, Philosophy makes people happy. Whether it's right or wrong or Godly, Philosophy makes people happy, which is probably why unhappy people created Philosophy in the first place.
 

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