@maxdancona,
And you wonder why nobody believes your bullshit...
This is what I said:
justaguy2 wrote:You also post the same rhetoric as people like the OP (and trump himself for that matter) in talking about "ANTIFA" as being a single group, and therefore don't seem to understand that "ANTIFA" is NOT a single group. It's a NUMBER OF GROUPS with similar views, so you throwing a number of groups (and people) all into the same basket, just like trump does, and then acting like you're the hero/the "good guy", and anyone who disagrees is wrong and are therefore the "enemy", destroys the idea you are somehow a "centrist", and therefore your entire defense. That's division, and that's exactly what's tearing your country apart, but you are too blind to see it.
Tell me how that "seemed to be me defending them" ???
And you've done it yet again... first you have no idea that "ANTIFA" is NOT a single group, but use it to attack what you
perceive as "the left" in
the other thread. Then you say "I seemed the be defending them" in this thread, when
I've made no such statement in support of any violence, looting or arson in the name of the BLM movement whatsoever, in any thread whatsoever anywhere in this forum.
You are also, and yet again, dumping a number of groups all into the same basket with this statement:
maxdancona wrote:Is there anyone who calls themselves "Antifa" who condemns violence being used as part of political protest?
...which is also in direct contradiction to this statement:
maxdancona wrote:Someone on another thread challenged me for putting all of Antifa in one bucket. I have to accept that this is true... I have always assumed the word "Antifa" implied a willingness to resort to violence, or atleast to forced censorship.
...which also defeats the point of asking the question in the first place. And BTW, you aren't even honest enough the admit "that someone" just happens to be myself.
So you've just single-handedly destroyed the idea that you are somehow different to the likes of the OP of the other thread linked above, along with the idea that you're somehow a "misunderstood centrist being ganged up on here, and therefore the innocent victim".
Your question in your OP barely even makes any sense... if "ANTIFA" is NOT a single group; then how can anyone "self-identify" as being a member of a non-existent group???
I'd suggest if you want genuine discussion with people, at least be honest with them. As it's your
consistency and sincerity that are the problem, and therefore
your credibility that's the central issue here,
not who you
say you're voting for in November. As it's YOU that's making it very difficult for me to believe you. As, I speak for myself here, and I don't just go by what others say, I make up my own mind about where I stand, not anyone else here.
And PS: if you honestly think that the USA is the only country in the world that has problems like systemic racism, institutional racism, and similar, you must be living in a pretty big national bubble.
In that case, and I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but Australia also has similar issues, including in police force's here, and I've dealt with some of those officers personally - as much as the police commissioner in the state I live in wants to be willfully ignorant and pretend that it doesn't and isn't happening. And just like you and your country, the only ways governments here can think of to deal with it is through policy and yet more laws. There have also been protests about many different issues here, including in support of the BLM movement.
But what we don't have here are little redneck police and sheriff departments dotted all over the joint. Each state of Australia has it's own state police force which are also the local police for each part of said state, with each state divided up into "local area commands" (may go under a different name/term depending on the state you're talking about), but still the same police force for the respective state. We don't have nutcases burning down half the city, or looting businesses, even when there is a protest. We don't have easy access to firearms for complete nutcases, and without a license, it would be illegal here to even be in possession of a firearm. But, we DO have universal health care for those that need it.