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major incident in London

 
 
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:10 am
I read that officials have asked Muslims in London to stay home - in order to avoid personal attacks.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:21 am
This is unbelievable, folks! I just got a PM from oldandknew (John of London) from a library! He said:

We've been bombed! Back tomorrow if I can! His pc has been gone for some time.

Thanks to Soz for giving me this link.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:36 am
where did you read that linkat?
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:39 am
This was from Reuters, Steve:

"The Islamic Human Rights Commission warned London Muslims to stay at home to avoid any violence aimed at them."
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kitchenpete
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:50 am
dragon49 wrote:
isn't material girl in london? have we heard from her? i can't remember exactly where she was.


mg was the second poster on this thread. If I remember rightly, she lives outside London.

KP
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 10:52 am
the islamic human rights commission also says on its website

"Our aims are manifold, and our inspiration derives from the Qur'anic injunctions that command believers to rise up in defence of the oppressed."

So naturally they would want Muslims in London to feel oppressed. Stay at home and be oppressed.
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mac11
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:04 am
What a sad day. Thanks to the Londoners for checking in so I can stop worrying about you. Who haven't we heard from?
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:07 am
Tarah? Spendius and mathos?
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:09 am
I can't find the original article, but it was on Boston.com
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:16 am
Letty wrote:
Tarah? Spendius and mathos?


Tarah lives in the suburbian area; I can't remember that spendius and/or mathos live in London. (Which doesn't mean, they couldn't have stayed there.)
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:19 am
Walter, did you see my message about John <oldandknew>?

Who else was at the London gathering?
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:24 am
Details of the London blasts

Quote:
8.56am - Between King's Cross and Russell Square stations

[..] "It was just horrendous; it was like a disaster movie. You can't imagine being somewhere like that - you just want to get out. I kept closing my eyes and thinking of outside. It was frightening because all the lights had gone out and we didn't hear anything from the driver, so we wondered how he was.

"Some people were very calm and were telling everybody not to panic, and after a few minutes we started to get messages that we would be unloaded from the back of the train and walked to safety. It took about 15 minutes to walk along the track to King's Cross." [..]

9.17am - Edgware Road station

[..] The blast blew through a wall onto another train on an adjoining platform and in total three trains were affected. [..] At that stage, somebody, a man I think, was blown out of the door of the train. He was under the carriages. Everything was black, and filled with smoke for a while. We were on the train for 20 minutes to half an hour before people came down the track and gradually escorted us to Edgware Road.

"It was terrifying. People were incredibly calm but very, very shocked. The screams from the guy who was under the train obviously made the whole incident so much worse." [..]

Inside the nearby Hilton Metropole, the entire reception and lounge bar was overrun with injured passengers. Shopping trolleys filled with medical supplies were parked near reception as a steady stream of people were treated. One man left the building with a bandage wrapped round his head and his shirt drenched in blood.

8.51am - Between Aldgate East and Liverpool Street stations

[..] One woman caught in the explosion said: "There were people there screaming out in agony. There were parts of the train all over the track."

Loyita Worley, 49, was on the train when the explosion went off in a nearby carriage and said the carriage that was hit was torn from "floor to ceiling". [..]

Initially it was thought that there had been separate incidents at the two stations as well as nearby Moorgate, before it became clear it happened in the tunnel between stations. The first reports said the explosion was caused by a power problem. [..]

Hospital officials said three double-decker buses loaded with casualties were brought to the Royal London. [..]

9.47am - Tavistock Place, near Russell Square

[..] Bob Mills, a producer for Sky News, said: "I was one of those who had to be evacuated, walking towards Russell Square, when, suddenly, there was a huge explosion on the street up in front of me and all I could see was the top of a bus completely destroyed.

"We all heard an explosion and everything just disappeared in front of me, and I'm looking at people with blood injuries and walking away from the scene." [..]

"People lying on the ground. Absolutely terrifying. People were just staggering off that bus in a complete state. One woman I spoke to said she could not hear anything any more, her partner was still on the bus." [..]
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:30 am
Letty wrote:
Walter, did you see my message about John <oldandknew>?

Who else was at the London gathering?


Yeap - saw it, thanks.

We didn't hear - as far as I know - something definate from Tarah (and Clary, although she doesn't live in London).
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dragon49
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:33 am
oh still thinking good thoughts for those of you in london. Thanks for letting me know mg checked in, was worried.
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Francis
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:48 am
Clary and Spendius are posting by now...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 11:57 am
Diane wrote:
While expressing my sympathies for all Londoners and Brits everywhere, I left out what I was really thinking. My apologies for this belligerant US administration for further polarizing the world after 9/11.

I wonder if this might be a turning point in realizing how destructive and damaging our invasion of Iraq was, including the resulting, deadly repercussions. Perhaps now the rest of the world will decide to follow another path, one of solidarity and concern rather than invasion with a sort of manifest destiny in mind. They might actually forget the oil and help the people. Dream on.


I was wondering how long it would take before someone blamed these attacks on the Bush administration.

First of all, from the quotes I've seen by the folks who have laid claim to these attacks, they are not distinguishing between the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan. Does anyone think this attack would not have happened if there had been no war in Iraq?

Secondly, even assuming that that the invasion of Iraq (led by the US and joined by the UK) was a terrible mistake, it would not justify the mass murder of civilians. One might stretch credulity; ignoring intrinsic morality and argue that "conquered" Iraqis have no recourse but to resort to terrorism to battle their foes, but this would be an argument with little substance.

* It is possible, but highly unlikely that all involved in these attacks were Iraqis.

* Insurgent Iraqis represent a tiny minority of the Iraqi people

* By wantonly killing their fellow Iraqis, the Insurgents have forfeited whatever shred of legitimacy, they might ever have had, as representatives of the Iraqi people

Finally, reacting to these attacks in one of the ways you suggest - pulling out of Iraq, rewards the attacks and assures future attacks.

I make no apologies for our government any more then I would have expected the British populace to apologize to Londoners or the Northern Irish for the mayhem caused by the IRA. Afterall, there were any number of misguided people (including many here in the US) who felt that the British Government had brought the IRA attacks upon themselves by their "occupation" of Northern Ireland.

I do wish all the best to our members from London and send my thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. As some have already noted, one thing can be certain about these attacks and that is that they will not achieve their foul purposes with the brave people of England.

God bless the UK and its people.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 12:08 pm
Thank you, Finn, for your words.

A reminder though that two of the locations affected, Edgware Road and Aldgate, were quite close to Muslim communities, which means these terrorists have lost even more credibility.

You know what I find really strange, though?

The mood in the labs I work in. It was almost business as usual. Sure, the radio was on louder than usual and people were listening to it, but... we just carried on as if nothing was happening.

Sure, people were phoning to check that friends were all right, but apart from that, we carried on.

After all, we are geneticists and our model organism, yeast, waits for no man.

Somebody even cracked the joke of the French being poor losers and our French colleague didn't even find offence in that. (This was, of course, before we found out who the culprit was).

People my parents have talked to (seeing as they're within the Greater London area and I'm not) say they're going to work tomorrow regardless.

It's nice to know that despite the tragedy, the terrorists haven't won by a long shot.

(Man that sounds cheesy).
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SerSo
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 12:15 pm
Re: major incident in London
With horror we here in Moscow learnt the news about the terrorist attacks on London Tube and buses. I can only hope that none of people I know and their loved ones suffered any harm and feel sorry for those who were hurt in these terrible events. Are all A2Kers safe?

Today I have called to the London HQ of the company on which I work. They have been receiving a lot of calls and e-mails from the branches around the world. So far, all the staff appear to be OK... however, people are worried about how they will get home.

Words fail to convey feelings... Russians know what it is like: the last year a blast in a Moscow Metro train killed and injured many people and there were other terrorist attacks in different places.

I wish such things never happened. Life will continue but no one knows if it will ever be the same as before. Terrorism always has causes, I realize this, but why do they attack simple people? Or do they really profess an old motto of Middle East terrorists: "do not hunt a lion while there are sheep"? What can they achieve by these means? Make everyone frightened? It never resolved any problem but caused only hatred.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 12:27 pm
There's one thing that we must consider about our dys. He has been in a damned war. We have only witnessed it.

Veterans:

Setanta
Morganwood
Jonboy
Who else out there?
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Eva
 
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Reply Thu 7 Jul, 2005 12:32 pm
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