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@Jasper10,

The book of the dead talks about a travelling to the west.This indicates that these people had dualistic/robotic mindsets.These people were dead spiritually.

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@Jasper10,

I’m not going to be wasting any more time on you.

What you lack in understanding you make up in pig ignorance and wild imaginings.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Was it???.It was written by men who clearly had insider information that you are not privy to.I wonder why?

That is an interesting blind guess about the people who wrote it, Jasper.

Why do you put so much stock into your blind guesses?

Granted, they may be correct (or closer to correct than other blind guesses)...but they may also be wrong.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, if I can call you that.I respect everyone’s views on this forum even if I don’t agree with them.Often these discussions get contentious,however,I do like these open and honest debates.I hope people don’t take things personal.The bible makes definite statements which I know some people disagree with, one of which is that ....all scripture is given by inspiration of God....If I am a christian should I doubt this? If you have read any of my other posts then they are quite in depth and so I have not come to my conclusions without deep contemplations of such statements.I can either be persuaded that there is or isn’t a God (one God).I am persuaded that there is.

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@Jasper10,

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If I am a christian should I doubt this?

Isn’t Christ supposed to be an example?

When he was tempted in the wilderness he didn’t stick his fingers in his ears and go “la la la I can’t hear you.”

He took on board what was being said and responded.

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@izzythepush,

Thanks for that izzythepush. It’s been interesting sparring with you.I have faith..you don’t...That’s where we are both at and why we can’t agree to agree on issues.If you have read any of my previous posts then I have used the analogy of opposing views as you’re a 0 and I’m a 1 or even other way around.We both need to be 0’s or we both need to be 1’s.If you don’t understand where I am coming from with this then it doesn’t matter.Hope to spar with you again in the future.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank, if I can call you that.I respect everyone’s views on this forum even if I don’t agree with them.Often these discussions get contentious,however,I do like these open and honest debates.I hope people don’t take things personal.The bible makes definite statements which I know some people disagree with, one of which is that ....all scripture is given by inspiration of God....If I am a christian should I doubt this? If you have read any of my other posts then they are quite in depth and so I have not come to my conclusions without deep contemplations of such statements.I can either be persuaded that there is or isn’t a God (one God).I am persuaded that there is.

Do not get me wrong, Jasper.

I respect your right to blindly guess that there is a god...and that the god IS the god "worshiped" by Christians.

But let's not make any mistakes about it...statements like:

There is a god.

There are no gods.

It is more likely that there is at least one god than that there are none...or it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one...

...are all just blind guesses.

There is no unambiguous evidence in either direction.

Nothing wrong whatever with making those guesses...and one side or the other apparently is correct.

So...I am not sure of what you are trying to get across.

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@izzythepush,

You’re back, I thought you weren’t speaking to me.?Glad you’re back.

Christ is the perfect example.

I am listening to you.We just can’t agree.

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@Frank Apisa,

The point I am making is simple.If nobody can prove definitely that there either is or isn’t a God/s then where do you go from there? This principle applies to an individuals own internal reasonings as well.Does this mean that all the burden falls on the believer to prove there is? Absolutely not.There is no burden on the believer to do this, just as there is no burden on the unbeliever to prove there isn’t.Both parties have a decision to make.Do they or don’t they believe there is a God/s? In this respect an individual has to either exercise FAITH or not exercise FAITH.PROOF goes out of the window.This is my understanding.I have put God/s so that you don’t come back to me on a technicality.I don’t believe in multiple Gods.Faith does provide answers.Its whether you have the faith to believe them.

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@Jasper10,

Once you assume that there is a god, then you have to choose which God to believe in.

Why did you choose Jehovah rather than Thor?

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@maxdancona,

Thor?

Odin, or Wotan is the all father. He’s the one who sacrificed himself, not Thor.

Didn’t you read comics?

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@maxdancona,

Because the Christian religion made sense to me especially when coming into an understanding of how duality works.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

The point I am making is simple.If nobody can prove definitely that there either is or isn’t a God/s then where do you go from there? This principle applies to an individuals own internal reasonings as well.Does this mean that all the burden falls on the believer to prove there is? Absolutely not.There is no burden on the believer to do this, just as there is no burden on the unbeliever to prove there isn’t.Both parties have a decision to make.Do they or don’t they believe there is a God/s? In this respect an individual has to either exercise FAITH or not exercise FAITH.PROOF goes out of the window.This is my understanding.I have put God/s so that you don’t come back to me on a technicality.I don’t believe in multiple Gods.Faith does provide answers.Its whether you have the faith to believe them.

Jasper, I hope you are not thinking that I am asking you to prove that you blindly guess that there is a god.

I am not doing that.

I accept, on your word, that you blindly guess there is a god...and that the god is the one that Christians worship.

As for that "faith" comment, well, when speaking of whether there are gods or not...a "belief" is nothing but a blind guess. "Faith" is merely insisting that the blind guess is correct.

Hope that clears that up.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, duality is so frustrating isn’t it.For every reasoning you come up with I will always be able to counter it and so will you.That’s how duality works.I haven’t blindly guessed that there is God.I merely believe that there is.I HOPE that I am right to belief in the Christian God.I could say that unbelief in my God is nothing but a blind guess and your faith in it is merely insisting that the blind guess is correct.We can argue all day as I say and we will always be able to counter each other.Hence the robotic/dualistic mindset.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank, duality is so frustrating isn’t it.For every reasoning you come up with I will always be able to counter it and so will you.That’s how duality works.I haven’t blindly guessed that there is God.I merely believe that there is.I HOPE that I am right to belief in the Christian God.I could say that unbelief in my God is nothing but a blind guess and your faith in it is merely insisting that the blind guess is correct.We can argue all day as I say and we will always be able to counter each other.Hence the robotic/dualistic mindset.

Jasper, you seem to want to discuss this issue, but you tend to resort to stuff like "robotic/dualistic mindset" nonsense.

C'mon.

Let's take the specific of "belief."

If a person says, "I 'believe' there is a god" or "I 'believe' there are no gods"...what else can that be but a guess?

There is no unambiguous evidence in either direction. All a person can do is to make a guess...and, in your case, call that guess a "belief."

But it doesn't matter what you call it...because a guess is always going to be a guess.

Can't we agree on that?

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, as neither of us can prove one way or the other whether there is or isn’t a God.Ok, if we both guess, then I guess there is a only one God and that God is the Christian God.What is your guess? By the way, you are only allowed to guess that the robotic/dualistic mindset is nonsense,you are forgetting the rules.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

Frank, as neither of us can prove one way or the other whether there is or isn’t a God.Ok, if we both guess, then I guess there is a only one God and that God is the Christian God.What is your guess? By the way, you are only allowed to guess that the robotic/dualistic mindset is nonsense,you are forgetting the rules.

I am not forgetting anything.

Here is my take:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST (that the existence of gods is impossible);
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST (that at least one god is needed to explain existence);
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

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@Frank Apisa,

That’s where dualistic reasoning cancels itself out.Robotic or lifeless reasoning can’t go any further.Your only option now is faith.Faith in one or the other.My understanding is that no proof will given for either argument.

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@Jasper10,

Jasper10 wrote:

That’s where dualistic reasoning cancels itself out.Robotic or lifeless reasoning can’t go any further.Your only option now is faith.Faith in one or the other.My understanding is that no proof will given for either argument.

You want to fall back on slogans...slogans that make no sense.

If you were an ethical, truthful person, you would simply acknowledge that your "belief" that a god exists...is nothing more than a guess.

NOTHING dualistic about my reasoning. Read my take again.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank, I respect your take on things even though I don’t agree with it.
My view is:
Cancelling things down to:
Needing proof of whether there is or isn’t a God (evidence).
will always be countered by
Not needing proof of whether there is or isn’t a God (faith).
As I have said before there is always a counter argument that will disagree.This is my experience.

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