Have you ever gotten someone to change their political affiliation?

Both party politicians did. I was once a democrat, then a republican, then finally changed to independent. This will provide me with the freedom to pick the candidate that mostly reflects my ideals. It doesn't matter to me, which party that person belongs to. I'm not sure why more people hadn't done what I did, because the party-politics shifts with the candidate in power. Look what happened when Donald Trump became president. He instituted the tax reform that gave most of the benefits to corporations and the wealthy, and our national debt grew. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/federal-deficit-one-trillion-trump-107901
Many old guard republicans left the party. FACT: Democratic administrations are better at making Americans become richer. Republicans are supposed to be the party of fiscal conservatism, but you wouldn't know that by their spending. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/ And, President Trump's Economic Scorecard FORBES: NICK DESANTIS
The U.S. Treasury Department publishes a 36 page monthly statement that has all sorts of information about where the Federal government receives its “income” and how it is spent. In the most recent report ending in September 2018 for the full fiscal year 2018 it shows that the federal budget deficit increased from $666 billion in fiscal 2017 to $779 billion in fiscal 2018, an increase of $113 billion or 17%. In the same report corporate tax receipts dropped from $297 billion in fiscal 2017 to $205 billion in fiscal 2018, a decrease of $92 billion or 31%. The $92 billion would account for 82% of the increase in the deficit.
I don't think Donald Trump was ever a good manager of anything. He's now bankrupting our country. He has practice; as a civilian he declared bankruptcy at least four times. Most businessmen who declare bankruptcy once do not get a second chance, but Trump's rich daddy rescued him. The only rescuer for our national debt are tax payers like you and me. Political scientists declared Donald Trump, "worst president in history." It's more than just about his poor management of our finances. Our allies trust Putin more than Trump.

I'm still a Republican, mostly through inertia. Sometime in the latter half of the last century, I decided that while Republicans would tax and spend. Democrats would borrow and spend. Now, that distinction seems to have gone away.

Politics in this country is very complex, even though most will not admit it.

As the saying goes...



I didn't exactly follow this trajectory, but liberals have gotten rather more extreme since the time of my youth. When I was in my twenties, we were all about making society better. Liberals today are more about outrage. The liberal movement left me behind.

I am also developing a libertarian streak that wasn't there before... I think that is a separate process.

I moved from socialism to centrism, now moving to political ecology, like many compatriots. But these are not affiliations, more ideological sympathies.

Young liberal adults often change once they mature and meet the real world.

Life is to short to spend it stuck on stupid.

you would really have to be stuck on stupid to vote for 45 in november...

Why? it worked out great the first time.

Yep, 140000 dead on the way to 200000 dead while stupid shyt is golfing. A real genius like yourself.

There's your confirmation Region.

I didn't know the Clintons golfed.

What's there to be outraged about? A country that is nothing but a plethora of lies from its terrorist beginnings to its terrorist, genocidal, war criminal present?

This is the very stuff that makes brainwashed americans squeal with delight about how great their country is when they know zilch about the history of their "country".

Are you Australian? I am just curious.

no, canadian...

Typically incurious about the history of the usa. Don't you think that having the equivalent of six or seven Holocaust death tolls to the usa's "credit" says not very good things about such an evil entity?

Unable2know seems a little bitter to be Canadian. Do you know that for a fact?

I always took him for an American progressive. He or she is just expressing what all progressives think about America.

Why would anyone be bitter about a country that is nothing but lies, maxdancona? Are you enthusiastic about US embassy staff making up death lists, giving them to their totally funded, trained and supported death squads and then checking off the names when people are beheaded, garroted, had red hot shafts stuck in their orifices, raped with bamboo spears? Their killers bragged of the delight they got from imagining new ways to kill.

Of course I am enthusiastic about death lists

Someone has to keep the world safe from the bad guys, and who wouldn't want to rape a socialist with a red hot bamboo spear.