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Have you ever gotten someone to change their political affiliation?

 
 
Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 05:33 pm
It seems that changing minds is very difficult. We all know spouses, significant others and friends influence each other. Do you have any stories of people flipping sides in terms of the political debate, and in which direction they went? Why did they change their mind?
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 07:53 pm
@Homesick112,
Both party politicians did. I was once a democrat, then a republican, then finally changed to independent. This will provide me with the freedom to pick the candidate that mostly reflects my ideals. It doesn't matter to me, which party that person belongs to. I'm not sure why more people hadn't done what I did, because the party-politics shifts with the candidate in power. Look what happened when Donald Trump became president. He instituted the tax reform that gave most of the benefits to corporations and the wealthy, and our national debt grew. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/federal-deficit-one-trillion-trump-107901
Many old guard republicans left the party. FACT: Democratic administrations are better at making Americans become richer. Republicans are supposed to be the party of fiscal conservatism, but you wouldn't know that by their spending. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/ And, President Trump's Economic Scorecard FORBES: NICK DESANTIS
The U.S. Treasury Department publishes a 36 page monthly statement that has all sorts of information about where the Federal government receives its “income” and how it is spent. In the most recent report ending in September 2018 for the full fiscal year 2018 it shows that the federal budget deficit increased from $666 billion in fiscal 2017 to $779 billion in fiscal 2018, an increase of $113 billion or 17%. In the same report corporate tax receipts dropped from $297 billion in fiscal 2017 to $205 billion in fiscal 2018, a decrease of $92 billion or 31%. The $92 billion would account for 82% of the increase in the deficit.
I don't think Donald Trump was ever a good manager of anything. He's now bankrupting our country. He has practice; as a civilian he declared bankruptcy at least four times. Most businessmen who declare bankruptcy once do not get a second chance, but Trump's rich daddy rescued him. The only rescuer for our national debt are tax payers like you and me. Political scientists declared Donald Trump, "worst president in history." It's more than just about his poor management of our finances. Our allies trust Putin more than Trump.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 17 Jun, 2020 08:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm still a Republican, mostly through inertia. Sometime in the latter half of the last century, I decided that while Republicans would tax and spend. Democrats would borrow and spend. Now, that distinction seems to have gone away.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2020 04:16 pm
@roger,
Politics in this country is very complex, even though most will not admit it.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2020 05:45 pm
As the saying goes...

Quote:
Whoever isn't a liberal when they are young has no heart.
Whoever isn't a conservative when they are older has no brain.


I didn't exactly follow this trajectory, but liberals have gotten rather more extreme since the time of my youth. When I was in my twenties, we were all about making society better. Liberals today are more about outrage. The liberal movement left me behind.

I am also developing a libertarian streak that wasn't there before... I think that is a separate process.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 5 Jul, 2020 11:58 pm
I moved from socialism to centrism, now moving to political ecology, like many compatriots. But these are not affiliations, more ideological sympathies.
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Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 02:59 pm
@Homesick112,
Young liberal adults often change once they mature and meet the real world.

Life is to short to spend it stuck on stupid.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 04:39 pm
@Dr Sliptinschit,

you would really have to be stuck on stupid to vote for 45 in november...
Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 04:43 pm
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
you would really have to be stuck on stupid to vote for 45 in november...


Why? it worked out great the first time.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 04:48 pm
@Dr Sliptinschit,
Yep, 140000 dead on the way to 200000 dead while stupid shyt is golfing. A real genius like yourself.
mesquite
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 05:46 pm
@Region Philbis,
Dr Sliptinschit wrote:
Region Philbis wrote:
you would really have to be stuck on stupid to vote for 45 in november...

Why? it worked out great the first time.
There's your confirmation Region.
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Dr Sliptinschit
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2020 05:50 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Yep, 140000 dead on the way to 200000 dead while stupid shyt is golfing. A real genius like yourself.


I didn't know the Clintons golfed.
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unable2know
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 05:34 pm
@maxdancona,
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Liberals today are more about outrage.


What's there to be outraged about? A country that is nothing but a plethora of lies from its terrorist beginnings to its terrorist, genocidal, war criminal present?

This is the very stuff that makes brainwashed americans squeal with delight about how great their country is when they know zilch about the history of their "country".
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 06:17 pm
@unable2know,
Are you Australian? I am just curious.
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 06:24 pm
@maxdancona,

no, canadian...
unable2know
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 06:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Quote:
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Typically incurious about the history of the usa. Don't you think that having the equivalent of six or seven Holocaust death tolls to the usa's "credit" says not very good things about such an evil entity?
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 06:45 pm
@Region Philbis,
Region Philbis wrote:


no, canadian...


Unable2know seems a little bitter to be Canadian. Do you know that for a fact?
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 07:18 pm
@maxdancona,
I always took him for an American progressive. He or she is just expressing what all progressives think about America.
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unable2know
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 07:37 pm
@maxdancona,
Why would anyone be bitter about a country that is nothing but lies, maxdancona? Are you enthusiastic about US embassy staff making up death lists, giving them to their totally funded, trained and supported death squads and then checking off the names when people are beheaded, garroted, had red hot shafts stuck in their orifices, raped with bamboo spears? Their killers bragged of the delight they got from imagining new ways to kill.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 09:59 pm
@unable2know,
Of course I am enthusiastic about death lists

Someone has to keep the world safe from the bad guys, and who wouldn't want to rape a socialist with a red hot bamboo spear.
 

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