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Prostitution -- why is such a glorious profession illegal?

 
 
Chai
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 01:01 pm
I'm all for legalized prostitution if the following conditions (off the top of my head) are met.....

Licensing Issues:
A prostitute must have a valid license in order to practice his/her trade.

A person who has a marriage license must provide proof that the co-holder the of marriage license is aware of the spouses activity, gives signed consent of the activity, and has been notarized and signature of the co-holder of the marriage license be somehow validated.

Further, a person with a marriage license MUST obtain an additional release signed, for EACH visit to the prostitute. This would included as above, with verification of the co-holder of the marriage licenses signature.

Record Keeping:
A detailed record must be kept of all sexual practices performed for the client, including date and time.
Then if the prostitute contracts an STD, he/she is required by law to contact the clients seen in the time parameters of when he/she contacted the STD, as well as contacting the co-holder of the marriage license. Proof of contact required, such as registered mail to be signed only by the recipient

Now, what could be fairer than that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 01:21 pm
Well, in those countries, where prostituion is legal (especially in those, where it is a profession), of course prostitutes have some kind of licence.

I find your idea about giving proof that the co-holder the of marriage license is aware of the spouses activity ingenious.
I suppose, it is done in bars/pubs/casinos/shops etc as well?
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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 01:28 pm
Oh my yes.

And there would be a central database where any client coming in would be screened to see if that person possessed a current marriage license.

Oh, and note Walter, I'm not advocating making the spouse merely aware of the sexual activity, they need to sign a consent giving consent to the activity.

If consent is not given, that would be grounds for divorce, which would involve the signing over of all assets to the injured party. Automatic, no chance for appeal.

It's a tough world out there.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 01:43 pm
Chai Tea wrote:
Oh, and note Walter, I'm not advocating making the spouse merely aware of the sexual activity, they need to sign a consent giving consent to the activity.


I definately didn't understand your remark differently.
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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 02:19 pm
right on brother walter.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 02:24 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
I don't know how men do it, really.....so demeaning. I can understand someone who, for physical reasons, wouldn't stand much chance with women and wants a bit of "company", going to one, but usually it is your average male.

Why?


Agreed. I have friends who have banged prostitutes, and I laugh at them. I wouldn't want to have sex with a woman who's obviously not into it.

For me it's all about the chase. I like figuring out how to draw attraction from women. Paying some filthy chick a couple hundred bucks to bang isn't much of a chase.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 02:48 pm
I once had notions about the glory of prostitution. At age 17, some crazy dudes and I went to Nueve Laredo to have a go at it. We got a couple of six packs and the driver dude took off doing ninety. Once in "boy's town," we hired a kid to watch the car while we went in a joint.
We walked into a place that had a stage and plenty of tables, with an extra long bar. Music was loud.
We sat down and immediately had a girl apiece sharing our cervesas. Presently, my prostitute said, "Want to ****?"
I gave her my most jaded look a moment.
"It's a pretty good ****."
What the hell; it's what we came for. I gave her the five dollars, which she handed to some senor, who immediately made it out the back way with it.
She took me to a room with barely space for a small bed. She smiled when I watched her begin to undress.
Well, friends, the more she took off, the more disillusioned I became. Her flesh, a watery fat, her odor a foul stench as she lay down upon the bed.
"I've changed my mind," I said.
She watched me a minute.
"What's a matter; you play with yourself too much?"
"I just changed my mind."
She dressed herself and we returned to the table. She sat in the next chair, as before.
"You buy me drink?"
I shook my head.
She went out the back door. As she dissapeared from sight we all heard her cackling.
My buddy dudes looked at me.
"What happened?"
"I'll tell you about it some other time."
On the way home, we got stopped for speeding. The oldest among us spent the night in jail. Me and another dude slept in a church. Next day we stood below the jailhouse window exchanging looks with the incarcerated ones. My brother arrived and paid my fine.
Needless to say, I lost the desire to patronize these girls.
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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 03:27 pm
you have the best stories edgar!
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 03:47 pm
Slappy Doo Hoo wrote:

For me it's all about the chase. I like figuring out how to draw attraction from women.


This is both the point and the problem. Some males do not have the social skills for the "chase" and laying out several hundred buck can seem like a reasonable alternative.

I have know two women who at one point in their lives were prostitutes and were willing to talk openly about it. For both of them prostitution was a last alternative to a marginal financial situation. Both of them had nothing but contempt for their "customers". I can see nothing "glorious" about prostitution it is a sad sordid refuge for both parties.
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Slappy Doo Hoo
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 04:06 pm
I've heard most women in the sex industry(strippers, prostitutes) have deep seeded issues with men. They had bad upbringings, no father figures, were sexually abused, ect. On one level they hate men.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 04:09 pm
Shocked

edgar... you need to write a book.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 24 Sep, 2005 04:58 pm
I realize my story does not cover the whole range of the topic. It is a complex issue, and I feel sorry for many of the people involved in these scenarios. I recall that once when I sat in a bar in Osaka, Japan, drinking a beer, I heard a loud argument between the proprietor and a girl. At the tail end of it, she came out and sat next to me. It was my guess that she did not like her line of work, but she smiled and I bought her a drink. After a bit, she said we could go to her place for 1800 yen. In 1964, that was five dollars. I told her no and she asked if I were a farm boy. I ended sitting alone, the only patron of the bar for another hour, then returning to my ship.
The Chicken Ranch, in LaGrange, Texas, employed mostly college girls. I knew some guys who went there a few times before Marvin Zindler created a stink and got the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas shut down. I have often pondered why a college girl takes such a job. I know the Chicken Ranch made it all seem like fun, but . . .
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2005 09:26 pm
Bella Dea wrote:
Goodfielder, where is this literature you've read? Because nothing in my life experience has indicated that there is any valid literature or actual events that would support your statement.

If rape was about getting off, then these guys have so many more options, and way more willing partners. It's about wielding your power over someone in the most intimate way you can.


Bella Dea - the literature I referred to is the literature that keeps asserting rape is just about power. It isn't just about power. It's about a lot of things and power and sex are there all mixed in. I can think immediately of one matter that was about power and sex (where sex was definitely part of the transaction but sex was the tool of humiliation and exercise of power) and another where it was about sex only and not about power. My point was it's rarely one or the other, it's an admixture.
Anyway that's in my experience - someone else's research may come to different conclusions.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:07 am
Goodfielder, I am not saying that the cases you speak about are not true or that the facts are not there. One case may have been about sex only. But the majority of them have the hunger for power at the root. The "I can take what I want when I want" mentality. The "You owe me' mentality.

Power is the root and sex is the weapon but sexual pleasure will not usually come without the power. The getting off comes from the power drive, not the actual act itself. I mean, yes, the man ejaculates because of the friction of the vagina but the mental stimulation is not in the physical act but in the mental act of holding this most intimate power over someone else. In perhaps, some cases (very small number) the rapist is doing it purely for the pleasureable act of sex. Rapists do it because they can not because they have to. Rapists are nice looking, sweet talking men. They are the guys women trust. They are a friend, a boyfriend, a husband. They do it because itmakes them feel powerful. Not because they can get their rocks off. That can be done with another woman without rape. So the drive is about power. For example:

Date rape on the surface may seem like a sex act but it is a power act. Sure, he's horney. But the reason he rapes his date is because he is saying I CAN if I WANT to. He knows he could get it somewhere else. But the idea of being able to wield that power over someone else causes him to rape. Again, the physical stimulation causes a physical response but the mental stimulation, the fear, the "please don't hurt me" look make the rapists feel strong. On the flip side, date rape isn't always by force. If the man coerces her into sex, makes her feel like she owes him he can (notice I said can not is) be raping her. If she doesn't want to do it but they do it anyway, it can be considered rape. Depends on the state you live in and the laws they enforce.

In prision, rape is used as a power tool. Some rapes are purely pent up sexual agression. Most are clearly stating "you are my bitch whether you like it or not". There are plenty of guys willing to suck a dick for a cigarette but rape is used to show dominance.

I guess what I am getting at is that at the root of 99% of rape cases, power is the reason for doing it. I would guess that the other percent is probably in prision. Remember that they estimate only about 40% (I think that's the number...I've also seen 16%) of rapes are actually reported so we are unsure what is going on with the silent majority. We can only speculate.
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material girl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:14 am
I havnt read all the posts.

I think its all about men.
1-Its mostly men that dictate the law.
2-Men like to control women.
3-If they allowed women to live of being a prostitute it would elevate our position in society(And we know men dont like this)
4-If prostitution become acceptable men cant put us down by calling us whores, theyd have to use their little brains to unsult us ina different way.

I dont think its a profession Id like to choos and I still think there is an amount of tackyness attached to it, but if somebody, including men, want to do it then they should.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:26 am
I agree MG.

Also, that old excuse men use that men go to prostitutes because their wifes/girlfriends won't do certain things?

balderdash.

Thinking of the women I've gotten to know really well over the years, I'm almost always more surprised at what they are willing and like to do more than what they won't do.
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material girl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 07:31 am
HEhe, that reminded me of RAy Liotta in Goodfellas.
He had a mistress becuse he didnt want to do certain things with his wife because she kisses the kids with that mouth!!!

Sooo hypocritical.

Men have to pretend to be disgusted by some sexual acts.In actual fact theyd love to do them, but dont like the idea of thier wife doing it, or a women deciding for themselves they want to do it.

Dont forget girls, if we women enjoy sex we are sinners.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:32 am
material girl wrote:
HEhe, that reminded me of RAy Liotta in Goodfellas.
He had a mistress becuse he didnt want to do certain things with his wife because she kisses the kids with that mouth!!!

Sooo hypocritical.

Men have to pretend to be disgusted by some sexual acts.In actual fact theyd love to do them, but dont like the idea of thier wife doing it, or a women deciding for themselves they want to do it.

Dont forget girls, if we women enjoy sex we are sinners.


That is funny Laughing Musta missed that part....

Isn't it funny how suddenly there aren't any men here asserting their positions that protitution should be legalized after bringing up those pesky details regarding wives and girlfriends being involved in order to make it fair?

I guess this was supposed to be something strictly between the hooker and the john.

It seems the wives and girlfriends are on a need to know basis, and we don't need to know.

I wonder how many women would take advantage of this legalization?

Being able to not have to overpay some escort, but to just go out and get laid by whatever strikes your fancy that night, for a reasonable price.

No more same old, same old week after week, with that man you have to look at day after day.....
Being able to pick someone who has just taken a bath, clipped his toenails and is wearing a cologne of YOUR choosing.

Wow. All those postions, all those choices.
Whatever turns YOU on, you're the one paying.

I'm sure no husband or boyfriend would have any problems with this. I mean, it's JUST sex. If she's not getting what she asking for at home, nothing wrong with it.
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material girl
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 09:42 am
Yep,whats good for gander is good for the goose.
About time we had the male equivalent of a Mistress which I think is a Master, but we will have to think of another name for them coz it sounds like they are in charge.
Maybe lets call them 'playthings'.

It IS just sex, thats what the guys tell us, afterwards.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 27 Sep, 2005 10:28 am
I saw some documentary about a brothel in Nevada. (HBO?) Even the legalized version of prostitution seemed tawdry, but at least the women weren't being beaten for their money.

As for the central database, that seems a tad 1984ish. I suppose we should sign consent forms for buying shoes, too? Let's not be absurd.
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