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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2005 05:26 pm
I really, really, really hope Bush gets to get someone on the Supreme Court. This is the second case of late the liberals have blown. I hope you are not the next to lose your home to bureaucracy...

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High court OKs personal property seizures
Majority: Local officials know how best to help cities

Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:50 a.m. EDT (14:50 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- -- The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that local governments may seize people's homes and businesses -- even against their will -- for private economic development.

It was a decision fraught with huge implications for a country with many areas, particularly the rapidly growing urban and suburban areas, facing countervailing pressures of development and property ownership rights.

The 5-4 ruling represented a defeat for some Connecticut residents whose homes are slated for destruction to make room for an office complex. They argued that cities have no right to take their land except for projects with a clear public use, such as roads or schools, or to revitalize blighted areas.

As a result, cities have wide power to bulldoze residences for projects such as shopping malls and hotel complexes to generate tax revenue.

Local officials, not federal judges, know best in deciding whether a development project will benefit the community, justices said.

"The city has carefully formulated an economic development that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including -- but by no means limited to -- new jobs and increased tax revenue," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority.

He was joined by Justice Anthony Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use."

Susette Kelo and several other homeowners in a working-class neighborhood in New London, Connecticut, filed suit after city officials announced plans to raze their homes for a riverfront hotel, health club and offices.

New London officials countered that the private development plans served a public purpose of boosting economic growth that outweighed the homeowners' property rights, even if the area wasn't blighted.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who has been a key swing vote on many cases before the court, issued a stinging dissent. She argued that cities should not have unlimited authority to uproot families, even if they are provided compensation, simply to accommodate wealthy developers.

The lower courts had been divided on the issue, with many allowing a taking only if it eliminates blight.

"Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random," O'Connor wrote. "The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

She was joined in her opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2005 05:57 pm
i just saw this story on msnbc.

i could understand it if there was something of such great benefit to all citizens being built. but, to toss people out just so buffy and biff have yet another place to shop is really kind of a crock.

i'm pretty surprised by what the so-called liberal members of the s.c. have been coming up with lately. i really would have expected it to go the other way around.
Shocked
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chiczaira
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2005 09:14 pm
McGentrix- I agree with you. However we must, I am afraid, uphold the primacy of the courts. I am sure that you can see that President Bush will appoint a good many judges( he already has in the case of the Appealate courts) to the bench.

Those judges will be sitting for twenty five and thirty years. If they hold fast to their principles, they will be able to counter and catastrophe that might befall us( such as the election of Hitlery Rodham).

This is why we must of course, as you suggest, press for more conservatives on the court, but we cannot complain about decisions. It is Stare Decisis.
It is practically written in stone. When the courts are loaded with Bush's appointees, the left will, of course, moan and groan. We cannot sanctify the moaning and groaning concernning Supreme Court decisions. Let's let Bush's nominees get on the bench and things will take care of themselves.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 05:52 am
What an absolutely horrific decision. It's the antithesis of equal protection.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 05:56 am
This is way more worse than the Patriot Act if you ask me.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 05:58 am
McGentrix,

Just curious-- which of the supreme court justices do you consider "liberal"? Justice Kennedy?

It seems like you are taking the liberal side of this issue-- you want to protect rights of individuals against commericial interests.

But I never bought the "liberal" slur anyway... but it especially doesn't go here.

I agree that the SC erred in this case. I don't think letting Bush appoint extremist judges will help.

(Ironically Justice Souter, who was part of the majority in this decision was a Bush appointee).
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 06:28 am
Whether this was from the liberal side or not this was a horrible decision.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:24 am
ebrown_p: I think most conservatives are pro-capitalism, but that doesn't mean they are pro-"big government." They are supportive of the personal acquisition of property by individuals (including ownership in corporations). In contrast, liberalism today is more closely associated with socialism, and a redistribution of property by the government. Being supportive of government having a lot of control over the interactions of economic enterprise is usually associated with liberal thinking, not conservative. Liberals are in favor of compromising individual freedoms for the supposed good of the collective group, whilst a typical conservative believes in a strong capitalistic free-market economy.

If a corporation wants a particular piece of property from an individual, they should pay the sum that the market will bear for said property ... and if an individual does not want to sell their homestead, they should not be forced to in order to make way for a commercial venture. The ability to increase the tax base should not be considered "public use."

I agree with revel ... this was a horrible decision.
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rodeman
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:28 am
McG
On this ruling, this "leftie" agrees with you....!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 07:32 am
This one too. Poor decision.

The only argument I can see in my mind would be for some sort of degentrification, but this doesn't seem to be the rationale that was used in this case.

I also believe that our cities and larger towns across the country are headed for some big problems in the next few decades. We are just now beginning to understand the true financial and ecological impact of sprawl and suburbia; there is every indication that some reorganization will be needed in order to solve the city challenges of the next few decades, especially if our population begins to increase once again. This ruling leaves some flexibility for major redesigns which could be needed in many places.

I don't agree with it, just looking for some positives....

Cycloptichorn
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:11 am
majority opinion " activists " & the president that appointed them:

Stevens: Ford
Kennedy: Reagan
Souter: Bush I
Ginsburg: Clinton
Breyer: Clinton

the majority opinion is stating that if the elected bodies of your local gov't choose to state that something is of public interest the courts have to respect that decision. the likes of scalia and thomas et al are dissenting on the grounds that the court should disturb the decision of a local gov't's elected officials.

and within the context of this issue it's worth noting that in the past the court either decided a no brainer for the gov't or refused to hear the appeals from land owners at all.

im not agreeing or disagreeing with the ruling ju st adding my two cents to the farcical liberal slant attempt.
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:33 am
You're right about the liberal slant thing. Pointless. However I think this needs to be fixed. Eminent domain has been recognised for some time but I think it's time to put the boundary markers in.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:36 am
I don't know too much about that, I just think it is terrible that anyone local states or federal can just kick people out of their homes.

I also don't really buy it, what if lower states decided that they wanted to have slavery again?
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goodfielder
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:38 am
You're right about the liberal slant thing. Pointless. However I think this needs to be fixed. Eminent domain has been recognised for some time but I think it's time to put the boundary markers in.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:39 am
wenchilina wrote:
im not agreeing or disagreeing with the ruling ju st adding my two cents to the farcical liberal slant attempt.


I'm not saying "liberal justices" are to blame for the ruling ... I'm not even saying liberals will applaud the decision ....

I'm suggesting the effect of the ruling favors a liberal view of property rights by expanding the term "public use."
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:41 am
Quote:
Liberals are in favor of compromising individual freedoms for the supposed good of the collective group.


So this is why liberals support the Patriot Act, banning Gay marriage, and the flag burning amendment-- all efforts to compormise individual freedoms for the good of the collective group.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:43 am
<looks at ebrown>

psst

sorry to bug ya and be a nerd at the same time,

but your quote should be attributed to 'Queen Amidala.'

Cheers

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:56 am
Quote:
Kennedy's Vast Domain
The Supreme Court's reverse Robin Hoods.

Friday, June 24, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

The Supreme Court's "liberal" wing has a reputation in some circles as a guardian of the little guy and a protector of civil liberties. That deserves reconsideration in light of yesterday's decision in Kelo v. City of New London. The Court's four liberals (Justices Stevens, Breyer, Souter and Ginsburg) combined with the protean Anthony Kennedy to rule that local governments have more or less unlimited authority to seize homes and businesses.

No one disputes that this power of "eminent domain" makes sense in limited circumstances; the Constitution's Fifth Amendment explicitly provides for it. But the plain reading of that Amendment's "takings clause" also appears to require that eminent domain be invoked only when land is required for genuine "public use" such as roads. It further requires that the government pay owners "just compensation" in such cases.

The founding fathers added this clause to the Fifth Amendment--which also guarantees "due process" and protects against double jeopardy and self-incrimination--because they understood that there could be no meaningful liberty in a country where the fruits of one's labor are subject to arbitrary government seizure.

That protection was immensely diminished by yesterday's 5-4 decision, which effectively erased the requirement that eminent domain be invoked for "public use." The Court said that the city of New London, Connecticut, was justified in evicting a group of plaintiffs led by homeowner Susette Kelo from their properties to make way for private development including a hotel and a Pfizer Corp. office. (Yes, the pharmaceutical Pfizer.) The properties to be seized and destroyed include Victorian homes and small businesses that have been in families for generations.

"The city has carefully formulated a development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including, but not limited to, new jobs and increased tax revenue," Justice John Paul Stevens wrote for the majority. Justice Kennedy wrote in concurrence that this could be considered public use because the development plan was "comprehensive" and "meant to address a serious city-wide depression." In other words, local governments can do what they want as long as they can plausibly argue that any kind of public interest will be served.

In his clarifying dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas exposes this logic for the government land grab that it is. He accuses the majority of replacing the Fifth Amendment's "Public Use Clause" with a very different "public purpose" test: "This deferential shift in phraseology enables the Court to hold, against all common sense, that a costly urban-renewal project whose stated purpose is a vague promise of new jobs and increased tax revenue, but which is also suspiciously agreeable to the Pfizer Corporation, is for a 'public use.'"

And in a separate dissent, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor suggested that the use of this power in a reverse Robin Hood fashion--take from the poor, give to the rich--would become the norm, not the exception: "Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."

That prospect helps explain the unusual coalition supporting the property owners in the case, ranging from the libertarian Institute for Justice (the lead lawyers) to the NAACP, AARP and the late Martin Luther King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference. The latter three groups signed an amicus brief arguing that eminent domain has often been used against politically weak communities with high concentrations of minorities and elderly. Justice Thomas's opinion cites a wealth of data to that effect.

And it's not just the "public use" requirement of the Fifth Amendment that's undermined by Kelo. So too is the guarantee of "just compensation." Why? Because there is no need to invoke eminent domain if developers are willing to pay what owners themselves consider just compensation.

Just compensation may differ substantially from so-called fair market value given the sentimental and other values many of us attach to our homes and other property. Even eager sellers will be hurt by Kelo, since developers will have every incentive to lowball their bids now that they can freely threaten to invoke eminent domain.


In another article, George Will said:

George Will wrote:
Liberalism triumphed yesterday. Government became radically unlimited in seizing the very kinds of private property that should guarantee individuals a sphere of autonomy against government.


Link.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:06 am
Tico,

You missed the point of George Will's article

George Will, in the article linked to by Tico, wrote:

Conservatives should be reminded to be careful what they wish for. Their often-reflexive rhetoric praises "judicial restraint" and deference to -- it sometimes seems -- almost unleashable powers of the elected branches of governments. However, in the debate about the proper role of the judiciary in American democracy, conservatives who dogmatically preach a populist creed of deference to majoritarianism will thereby abandon, or at least radically restrict, the judiciary's indispensable role in limiting government.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:13 am
Conservative Presidents, in their attempts to appoint solid jurists to the high court, have at times been thwarted by an opposition all too willing to brand anybody 'extremist' who is to the right of Karl Marx. Until 1994, that opposition was mostly from Democrat majorities, and the result is a high court that has tilted left of center for the last several decades. However, the GOP voted liberal on both of Clinton's nominees: Ginsburg was confirmed by a Senate vote of I believe 96 - 3 and Breyer by 87- 9, and both have provided some solid votes as well as some disastrous ones. This last one was certainly disastrous.

John Locke is surely thrashing in his grave.

George Bush is on record as intending to appoint judges who will interpret the existing law rather than insert their own ideology into creating law. When he does that, I hope we will all put pressure on our own senators to confirm those nominees.
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