Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 12:48 am
Lash, you probably try to set flags and crosses on fire by soaking them with Windex. Only joking, of course. (But, I will give you a lesson in chemistry if so desired).
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 01:00 am
I can't find any reason for that last post.

You don't seem to know much about RR. He didn't like Bush I because he was a UN loving, mealy mouth, finger in the wind man.

He'd love GWB and the so called neo cons.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 04:51 am
I don't pretend to speak for Saint Ronnie or Barf on the table Bush. I just know the difference between committing a hate crime and burning a piece of cloth.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 04:56 am
Meanwhile, some emaciated tart can prance about in a red, white and blue bikini with stars, in an effort to sell cars, or some other capitalist product. But hey, that's the American way, no?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 04:57 am
EB, did you have to study or do on-the-job training to become a liberal twit, or does it come naturally?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 05:22 am
I come by way of the school of hard knocks.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:01 am
You concede a great deal of power to a couple of pieces of wood, eb.

Don't you care to protect freedom of speech?

What message do you concede to a cross burning, exactly? It is an inanimate object. It can't communicate. What message is pre-ordained with flag burning? Must everybody mean the same thing to burn a flag? Is there a form you have to fill out agreeing with the pre-ordained flag burning statement?

Who trademarked the statement?

I think anyone who will burn a flag but not a cross is a hypocrite.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:37 am
Flag burning is a political statement.

Cross burning, and leaving ropes with hangman's nooses are acts of intimidation. Although it shouldn't surprise me, i am still amazed that you can't see the distinction.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:46 am
A cross is made of wood. A flag is made of cloth.

If I were to burn a cross, it would represent my political statement that all inanimate objects should have the same treatement under the law and that no one else can tell me what I mean when I burn a cross.

I'm amazed that you give one inanimate object power and think it's right not to do the same for another. How do you not see the unadulterated hypocrisy in that double standard?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:55 am
Hypocricy, that's rich . . .

Got any friends of African-American descent? Ask them about cross burnings, Miss Holier-than-everyone-here . . .
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 08:55 am
Congress needs something to fill their time. In any event time spent debating this issue limits the the time they have to F***up the nation.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:02 am
I can't even aspire to be holier than you. Just ask you.

Wood doesn't trump cloth.

Free speech isn't limited to cloth.

You know it's a blaring double standard. Why not just admit it? I do have black friends. They would likely not appreciate knowing someone had burned a cross. I have other friends as well. They would not like knowing someone burned a flag.

Why are one group's feelings more valid than the others's? That is all it is about in a nutshell. Feelings.

People have feelings about cloth, too. Why don't you care about their feelings as much as the anti-wood burners?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:05 am
Once upon a time, about 1972, I was sitting in my garage tweaking about with my motorpsycho and a couple of pickuip trucks pulled alongside my front yard on the other side of a large willow tree. I had no lights on as I was mostly just sting there and the moon was quite bright. 5 men got out of the trucks and attempted to erect a couple of timbers (4x4's) and nail them into a haphazard replica of a cross and then, as I sat watching, they attempted to light this assemblege with a few sheets of newspaper but were having no success. I ambled out from the garage and suggested they use gasoline to get the damn thing to burn but instead of thanking me for the helpful hint they ran off to their pickups and drove off into the night. The next day I took the 4x4's and erected a new gate into my back yard.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:08 am
Lash wrote:
Wood doesn't trump cloth.

You're confused. It's "rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, paper beats rock."
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:08 am
That's funny. They couldn't light it and were scared away (the 5 of them) by one guy.

What statement do you suspect they were making?

BTW, burning cloth or wood items in others' yards is unsupportable.

I advocate equality in burning stuff--but not going on others' property.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:08 am
Lash
The difference between burning a cross and burning a flag is the significance of and the history behind each action.
I am surprised you can't see it.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:11 am
joefromchicago wrote:
Lash wrote:
Wood doesn't trump cloth.

You're confused. It's "rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, paper beats rock."


You forget "Congress beats Americans over the head."
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:14 am
AU--

There are a lot of things in history. Why pick one and make it so different that others?

Do we hide everything that upsets everybody?

Do we protect items that are sacred to everybody?

EQUALITY!!!

Wood doesn't trump cloth! Things are things.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:15 am
Lash wrote:
I can't even aspire to be holier than you. Just ask you.

Wood doesn't trump cloth.

Free speech isn't limited to cloth.

You know it's a blaring double standard. Why not just admit it? I do have black friends. They would likely not appreciate knowing someone had burned a cross. I have other friends as well. They would not like knowing someone burned a flag.

Why are one group's feelings more valid than the others's? That is all it is about in a nutshell. Feelings.

People have feelings about cloth, too. Why don't you care about their feelings as much as the anti-wood burners?


Lash,

People are ignoring you because you've got nothing (not because you are as smart as you are). But, at the risk of wasting my time on a fruitless endeavor, I will try to enlighten you.

Burning a cross is protected free speech.

The headline you perhaps read that lead you down this ridiculous path was a ruling in 2003 that said that cross-burning that was done for the purpose of intimidation was not Constitutionally protected. The act of intidation was the crucial part of the ruling. Many liberals, including myself and the ACLU, felt the court erred in this decision-- i.e. that free speech is so sacred that it shouldn't be infringed upon even in this extreme case.

But there is no contradiction here. I speak only for myself... but I think that it is safe to say that most of us feel that flag-burning and cross-burning are the same thing: offensive expressions that are constitutionally protected.

You are screaming in vain. There is no double standard here.

Liberal flag burners and Conservative cross burners both are protected under our Constitution.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 09:23 am
Lash wrote:
That's funny. They couldn't light it and were scared away (the 5 of them) by one guy.

What statement do you suspect they were making?

BTW, burning cloth or wood items in others' yards is unsupportable.

I advocate equality in burning stuff--but not going on others' property.

Well, to be completely fair, in those days I always had a holstered Smith & Wesson 38 on my hip, always loaded.
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