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A question of definitons

 
 
Reply Wed 22 Jun, 2005 10:02 pm
I have both the Oxford dictionary and Webster's dictionary. When looking up new word I've always used the Oxford dictionary, leaving Webster's virtually untouched. Through some happenings today, an issue was brought up to my attention. The difference in definitions between the two dictionaries. For example, the word "facetious". The Oxford Dictionary goes as follows-

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facetious

adj. treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant


while the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines the word facetious like this-

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facetious

adj 1 not meant to be taken seriously or literally; a facetious remark.
2 amusing; humorous
3 lacking serious intent; concerned with something amusing or frivolous; a facetious person


Now the two definitions contain a similar idea, but Oxford definition states that the use of humor is inappropriate, the Webster dictionary has no such statements or implications. Also, the Oxford dictionary says "treating serious issues" while Webster's dictionary says "lacking serious intent" but that doesn't necessarily mean that the word means to treat serious issues with humor.

So one could envision the misunderstanding that may arise from this, if I were to use the Webster definition of the word I could say: "His article was largely facetious" of a person's completely trivial piece of literary work using the 2nd definition. Someone who only knows the Oxfordian (is that even a word?) definition would think that the person was making light of a serious issue though. Now this is just one example, I looked up a number of other words and found differences in the two dictionaries' definitions of them that may lead to the words being used a bit differently in conversation.

My question is: What is the meaning of this? My Webster's dictionary is from 1997, and my Oxford dictionary a more recent 2004 edition. Could a word "lose" an application in 7 years? Or is this caused by the Oxford dictionary being a British dictionary and Webster's being an American dictionary? Would the additional definition be acceptable in Britain?
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yitwail
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2005 07:41 am
Might depend on which Merriam-Webster you look up. Merriam-Webster Online defines facetious thus:

1 : joking or jesting often inappropriately : WAGGISH <just being facetious>
2 : meant to be humorous or funny : not serious <a facetious remark>

btw, which Oxford do you have? i have the New Oxford American Dictionary, which has the exact same definition for facetious; it's a bit on the heavy side, but i love it.
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manticore
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2005 08:37 am
I have the New Oxford American Dictionary. The thing is, this is just one word that's like that, there're many others with differences. I've heard people say that the Oxford dictionary is the authority on the English language. Since I live in America though, is Webster's the "authority" here, or is it still Oxford?
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manticore
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2005 01:39 pm
So isn't it a bit wierd the Webster has more definitons for words than Oxford?
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syntinen
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2005 04:10 am
The Oxford English Dictionary (i.e. the multi-volume enormous one, not the 2-volume Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, nor any of the sub-variants of the OED) is the unchallenged authority on British English; it's also probably by far the completest authority on word origins and obsolete usages. However, I don't think even the Oxford dictionary team would claim to be the ultimate authority on American English; I don't know which of the American dictionaries is best for that. Does anybody here know?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sat 25 Jun, 2005 04:49 am
Do you rely on dictionaries? <just being facetious>
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