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I'm scared to die.. is that bad?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 01:10 pm
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:

Hey, it can't be real good - wherever we go or don't go from this life - to carry hate with us.
I don't take anyone seriously here on this forum.

I think the opposite of fear must be love.
When we have feelings of hate or fear it's possible to picture someone,
or some place, in your mind when you felt love, then transfer
that feeling to the one you think you hate. It is our feelings that we have to change.

C.I., I know you're just joking.
People who have returned from death
(defined as no EKG, no EEG, & no respiration for a while) thru out America
have the consensus that there IS a Judgment Day
and that u are the judge of your incarnate life,
which u witness in review, and which u evaluate by 2 criteria, to wit:

1. Love
and
2. Learning





David
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 01:24 pm
Whereas you are projecting wishful fantasy, I am but applying logic, based on my lifetime of experiences and what I have learned from other thinkers and from a lifetime of reading.
That someone tests clinically dead for a few minutes does not address that the cells do not instantly die. The process that restarts the body could not take place if the body were truly dead.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 02:26 pm
@edgarblythe,
I agree with edgar.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 09:50 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Whereas you are projecting wishful fantasy, I am but applying logic,
based on my lifetime of experiences and what I have learned from other thinkers and from a lifetime of reading.
That someone tests clinically dead for a few minutes does not address that the cells do not instantly die.
The process that restarts the body could not take place if the body were truly dead.
Your beliefs are harmless. In the meantime, I will try to relieve
the emotional pain of those who fear the discontinuation
of their existence merely because of the future non-functioning
of their material bodies when thay wear out.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 09:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree with edgar.
In time, u will find out.

Its kinda fun being out of your body.
Some people have complained about getting back in,
comparing it to being sent back to prison.





David
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 10:21 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
All tricks of the mind; there is no such thing as "out of body experience."

Do you also believe in ghosts? How about god?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 10:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Quote:
All tricks of the mind; there is no such thing as "out of body experience."
What is the source of your information on this point ?





cicerone imposter wrote:
Quote:
Do you also believe in ghosts? How about god?

Ghosts are the REAL us. Everyone is a ghost.
Our bodies are only our outer covering that wears out.
I saw myself when I was a ghost,
several times.





David
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neologist
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:16 pm
Where is Xingu when you need him?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

Whereas you are projecting wishful fantasy, I am but applying logic,
based on my lifetime of experiences and what I have learned from other thinkers and from a lifetime of reading.
That someone tests clinically dead for a few minutes does not address that the cells do not instantly die.
The process that restarts the body could not take place if the body were truly dead.
Your beliefs are harmless. In the meantime, I will try to relieve
the emotional pain of those who fear the discontinuation
of their existence merely because of the future non-functioning
of their material bodies when thay wear out.





David

In other words, you prefer fairy tales.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 06:00 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

Whereas you are projecting wishful fantasy, I am but applying logic,
based on my lifetime of experiences and what I have learned from other thinkers and from a lifetime of reading.
That someone tests clinically dead for a few minutes does not address that the cells do not instantly die.
The process that restarts the body could not take place if the body were truly dead.
Your beliefs are harmless. In the meantime, I will try to relieve
the emotional pain of those who fear the discontinuation
of their existence merely because of the future non-functioning
of their material bodies when thay wear out.





David

In other words, you prefer fairy tales.
I prefer to remember what I have experienced a few times
and to be influenced thereby. I prefer to bear in mind that my
experiences were consonant with those of others whose were
of greater depth and duration than mine were.
I sense that u actively desire to believe the fairy tale
that your very existence will end merely
because your outer covering falls apart -- the same as if u believed
that your actual existence depended upon the competent functioning of your car
or upon the structural integrity of your shoes.

In other words, I sense that u 'd be disappointed if I proved it to u.
That strikes me as odd, tho harmless; a desire for passive suicide.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 03:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
David, you say that our ending is a fairytale. I say that our selves are the fairytale. From the beginning there is no self to end. Both of us take a position that is fantastical to most people. The difference is that I am right and you are wrong. But I'm sure that you feel the opposite is the case.
Let me add that I have no more (shareable) evidence for my position than you have for yours (but my privately enjoyed experience is in abundance).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 03:16 pm
@JLNobody,
JLN, Don't get too philosophical on us! It's hard enough keeping up with our individual perceptions about what we call "reality."
JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 03:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
C.I., like Fresco, I do not wish to insult my fellow A2Kers by talking down to them.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:04 pm
@JLNobody,
You're a gentleman and a scholar.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:12 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

C.I., like Fresco, I do not wish to insult my fellow A2Kers by talking down to them.

I have to talk up to most of them.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:14 pm
David
I've said my say. So long as you don't shoot anybody, it is perfectly harmless for you to entertain those beliefs - No skin off my nose.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

David
I've said my say. So long as you don't shoot anybody,
it is perfectly harmless for you to entertain those beliefs - No skin off my nose.
I have nothing to add to our discussion, Ed.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 21 Sep, 2009 04:40 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

Quote:
David, you say that our ending is a fairytale. I say that our selves are the fairytale.
From the beginning there is no self to end.
I 've found it of interest that some people in hospitals,
whose human bodies were in a state of "death" sensed
that in reality there is ONLY ONE SELF, the same life in,
and shared by, the nurses, the doctors, the flowers in the room
and the dog barking across the street -- that the diversity of life in an illusion;
i.e.: the accurate number of people alive in the Universe is One

Quote:
Both of us take a position that is fantastical to most people.
It matters not, qua veracity.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 10:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Yes, I agree (rightly or not) that there is only one Self. There is ONLY GOD. There are no egos, only the belief in our separateness: the illusion of self vs. all else.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 22 Sep, 2009 12:22 pm
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:
Both of us take a position that is fantastical to most people. The difference is that I am right and you are wrong.

Laughing

Actually, you're both wrong.
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