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I'm scared to die.. is that bad?

 
 
Pemerson
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 06:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hey, it can't be real good - wherever we go or don't go from this life - to carry hate with us. I don't take anyone seriously here on this forum.

I think the opposite of fear must be love. When we have feelings of hate or fear it's possible to picture someone, or some place, in your mind when you felt love, then transfer that feeling to the one you think you hate. It is our feelings that we have to change.

C.I., I know you're just joking.
djjd62
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 06:04 pm
@Pemerson,
why does it have to be hate

haunting could be like some kind of ethereal punk'd
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Pemerson
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 06:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I've never seen a ghost either, but I do have some rather wild dreams that are actually fun, like flying around in an atmosphere with no gravity. In others, people who have passed on are simply there, saying a few things. It isn't always a good idea to go about telling people about these weird occurances. They are only helpful to the dreamer.

There are, however, great books written (fiction) about experiences of people who have died, what happens to them. The most incredible was Mercy of Thin Air, and of course there is, right now, The Shack. Talk about interviewing a ghost!

And, if asked, I'd have to say I am also scared to die. But, so, I can handle that. Feel the fear and die anyway.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2009 07:54 pm
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:

I've never seen a ghost either, but I do have some rather wild dreams that are actually fun, like flying around in an atmosphere with no gravity. In others, people who have passed on are simply there, saying a few things. It isn't always a good idea to go about telling people about these weird occurances. They are only helpful to the dreamer.

There are, however, great books written (fiction) about experiences of people who have died, what happens to them. The most incredible was Mercy of Thin Air, and of course there is, right now, The Shack. Talk about interviewing a ghost!

And, if asked, I'd have to say I am also scared to die. But, so, I can handle that. Feel the fear and die anyway.
People who have died have reported that thay have
no fear of future deaths; e.g. Dannion Brinkley, who was
hit by lightning and died 2ice, on the way to the hospital
(if I remember his story accurately).

http://www.dannion.com/09/index.htm

Apparently, he returned with a lot of ESP.





David
Pemerson
 
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Reply Sat 19 Sep, 2009 10:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
People who have died have reported that thay have
no fear of future deaths; e.g. Dannion Brinkley, who was
hit by lightning and died 2ice, on the way to the hospital
(if I remember his story accurately).


I'm not exactly afraid of not being here, alive. Most people, however, suffer a bit.

I have read books on this subject, but, more popular today are the fiction books where the writer creates an intriguing little story in order to get a few ideas across. Clever, because readers won't call the writer a dingbat.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:42 am
@Pemerson,
Pemerson wrote:

Quote:
People who have died have reported that thay have
no fear of future deaths; e.g. Dannion Brinkley, who was
hit by lightning and died 2ice, on the way to the hospital
(if I remember his story accurately).


I'm not exactly afraid of not being here, alive.
Most people, however, suffer a bit.
The death penalty is widely reputed to be
our most severe penalty; death is widely
accepted as being the very worst possible result
of any accidental injury.


I have read books on this subject,
but, more popular today are the fiction books
where the writer creates an intriguing little story
in order to get a few ideas across.
Clever, because readers won't call the writer a dingbat.
In October, we are having a convention in San Diego
of people who have returned from "death" (which I consider to be only molting)
and medical doctors who have an interest in the subject matter.

Join us: www.IANDS.org

After the convention, I intend to explore the San Diego Zoo.





David
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 09:28 am
As farmerman and others have been pointing out, of late, these reported death or near death experiences are not actual reports from the dead zone. The truly dead do not come back, ever. My thought on the reason for these experiences is as follows: To soften the harshness, to alay the fear and horror of dying, the brain cells register these comforting images. The final and ultimate defense mechanism.
JLNobody
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 10:25 am
@edgarblythe,
That's right, Edgar.
By the way, the fear of mortality (i.e., the obsession with the idea of one's inevitable end) is neurotic. The temporary and situationally grounded fear response to the doctor's report that you have cancer is normal.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:21 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

As farmerman and others have been pointing out, of late, these reported death or near death experiences are not actual reports from the dead zone. The truly dead do not come back, ever. My thought on the reason for these experiences is as follows: To soften the harshness, to alay the fear and horror of dying, the brain cells register these comforting images. The final and ultimate defense mechanism.
I understand those ideas.
The question remains of whether or not conscious life continues
when the human body becomes dysfunctional. I was informed that
I died during surgery in 2005. I have no memory of this.
I only remember awakening from it in the ICU.
However, during periods of non-stressful existence in ordinary states of health,
I 've had out-of-body experiences, 3 times during routine taking
of depositions in court, once when I was told that my mother
died and once in a restaurant at lunch.
Being out felt nice.
(I have never used recreational nor hallucinogenic drugs.)

This has suggested to me that conscious life can continue
separate from and independent of the material human body,
which molts off, at "death."

To my mind, it seems unnecessarily unkind to hog this knowledge for myself.

People fear "death" (not including those who have returned from "death" defined
as the cessation of all cardiovascular, pulmonary and encephalic activity for a few minutes).
Some people who have returned from "death" in hospitals
have observed their relatives in conversation among themselves
in the waiting rooms, occasionally resulting in disinheritance of nasty-mouthed relatives.
Some have returned with other observations of during-death events that were subsequently confirmed.

In my opinion, it is good to relieve the emotional pain of fear of death.

Additionally, some decedents have reported having Life Review Experiences
during which thay felt their effects upon others; e.g. one Tom Sawyer who reviewed an incident wherein
he slugged a motorist in the mouth repeatedly because of a collision. He reported empathetically feeling
getting slugged in the mouth each time, during his Life Review. (I wonder how that worked out for Saddam.)
He also reported feeling a secondary negative effect felt by people who were not present at the time nor place
of the occcurrence; like ten year old junior who did not get a bike for his birthday as promised because Dad
had to use the cash to pay a dentist.

From this, I extrapolated that inflicting unexpected kindness upon people
might be a good idea, so I started begifting pretty waitresses with $100.oo tips for @ glass of wine thay brought me.
In the 1970s, I stood in a crowded street in midtown Manhattan and distributed $100.oo bills to pretty girls,
as thay passed at lunchtime & a few other things. Its kind of fun.

Dr. Raymond Moody wrote "LIFE AFTER LIFE" wherein he included
the incident about Tom Sawyer (that book or one of its sequels).
Raymond invited me to his place in Alabama, wherein I told him
that my unexpected distributions of cash were the result of HIS work.
Therefore, he shoud experience the derivative effects thereof
in his own LIfe Review Experience.





David



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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:27 am
David, it is not what you experience in life that determines the nature of death. That some have had out of body experiences is irellevant to the topic.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:37 am
@JLNobody,
JLNobody wrote:

That's right, Edgar.
By the way, the fear of mortality (i.e., the obsession with the idea of one's inevitable end) is neurotic.
The temporary and situationally grounded fear response to the doctor's report that you have cancer is normal.
That applies only to people who have not died yet.
After thay HAVE, thay lose all fear of death
and some (like Danion Brinkley, who was killed by lightning & died from it twice)
have written of even eagerly looking forward to death again.
"Death" is molting.

My dead friend, Neil, died 12 times in the V.A. Hospital in Las Vegas.
(I confirmed this with his floor nurse.)
He told me that he lost all fear whatsoever of death.

I went to see him; (I don 't need much excuse to go to Las Vegas.)
I offered to spring for a memorial service for him, but on condition
that HE deliver the eulogy, since he knew his own life a lot better than I did.
I thawt that was only fair. He did not go for that.





David
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:46 am
Your story only confirms what jl and I just said.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 11:54 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Quote:
David, it is not what you experience in life that determines the nature of death.
Will u reveal your source of information on this point, Ed?

Quote:
That some have had out of body experiences is irellevant to the topic.
In BOTH cases, the REAL u, the consciousness,
or some part thereof, leaves the material body and exists contentedly and independently therefrom.

That is relevant.

"Death" is an out-of-body experience.

It is just molting.
Its natural, like a young boy whose deciduous teeth fall out.

EVERYTHING falls out, except the conscious mind, which continues to live independently.





David
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:05 pm
Only the dead can have experience with death, and they ain't talking. You are making extravagant claims with no proof, after the way of those who make religious claims with no proof. Then you want proof of refutation to that for which proof is non existent.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:06 pm
@edgarblythe,
I can't believe you're still arguing about death. LOL Dead is when you're gone for good!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I can't believe you're still arguing about death. LOL Dead is when you're gone for good!

Well, does that mean that if u r reincarnated (i.e., NOT gone for good)
then your FIRST life is re-instated because u were NOT gone for good ?
Ergo: you are living 2 Earthly lives simultaneously,
the first one and the second one ??


I don 't think so.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:25 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You're confusing the definition of dead.

Quote:
dead (dd)
adj. dead·er, dead·est
1. Having lost life; no longer alive.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're confusing the definition of dead.

Quote:
dead (dd)
adj. dead·er, dead·est
1. Having lost life; no longer alive.

By that reasoning, no person is ever dead.
Its only his meatsuit that has worn out and become dysfunctional.

The person himself shoud not be confused with his outer covering.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
We are talking about biological death.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Sep, 2009 12:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Only the dead can have experience with death, and they ain't talking.
You are making extravagant claims with no proof,
after the way of those who make religious claims with no proof.

Then you want proof of refutation to that for which proof is non existent.
More precisely, I asked only for your source of information. I did not ask for PROOF.
The latter woud be a much more demanding standard
and difficult to satisfy; I have not requested that.

In essence, I asked only the reason that u believe what u do.

I have revealed my own position as having been based upon
the personal experiences of myself and others.





David
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