Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 10:44 am
according to a new survey by career builder, 49% of men say they would be willing to give up their career if their spouse could make enough to support the family.

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any men out there wanting to do this? hopefully mr. dragon will, we talked about that early on and decided he would stay home once we had kids (and more importantly-hopefully i will be able to make enough!).
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boomerang
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 10:55 am
I think 90% of 49% of men have no frikken idea of what they're getting themselves into!

I love staying home with Mo but I really, really miss my career.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 11:15 am
I think it's an awesome trend. I think that 99% of anyone who plans to stay home have no frikken idea of what they're getting themselves into. I'd include myself in that category.

I think there are all kinds of benefits to men being the stay-at-home parent, love to see more of it.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 12:48 pm
Studies have shown that being a stay-at-home dad reduces life expectancy. It's different for stay-at-home moms.

They think it has to do with lack of societal support; perhaps this will change if more men decide to stay home.

Mrs. Drew and I are looking at the possibility of trading off days at home.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 12:50 pm
Good for you, DrewDad!

Are you sure it's different for stay-at-home moms?

What about those studies that show that married men live longer than single men, while single women live longer than married women?
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:07 pm
Ditto to Boom's comment.
I love-love-LOVE staying at home with bean, but hate that I had to give up my nursing career to do it. I still feel like I lost a bit of myself making that decision. Mr Wolf has said many times that he would trade places. Given that I would have to start from scratch with my work, financially that isnt an option. If it WAS, he would be here.

There is no support for at home fathers. In fact, it is a joke to people when they hear about an at home dad. He is seen as less of a man in some cases and not taken seriously. I think that is sad.
Staying at home with a baby is overwhelming . Most men whos wives DO stay at home, have no idea what it is like. It is percieved as an easy task.
And forget the label of a 'job'. According to alot of people, stay at home moms dont HAVE a job. Well that is a crock 'a sheet.


Though I dont agree with this newsletter most of the time, it had a great article not too long ago about this subject :

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Stay-at-home dads want more than laughs

Movies and books still portray full-time fathers as bumbling buffoons, but that's not the whole story

By Marilyn Gardner | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

When screenwriters and authors portray men as full-time fathers, many follow a simple rule: Play it for laughs.
It has been 20 years since the movie "Mr. Mom" regaled audiences with a stay-at-home dad named Jack, who bumbled his way through diapers, discipline, and such domestic terrors as a runaway vacuum and an overflowing washer.

Now Jack's 21st-century counterparts are arriving, and similar humor prevails. The movie "Daddy Day Care" opens this weekend, starring Eddie Murphy as an unemployed father who starts a "guy-run" day-care center with a buddy. The "Mr. Mom" formula remains firmly in place: Men + kids = laughs galore.

That theme also runs through two new books by at-home fathers. In both, Dad cares for the kids while Mom works to support the family. Publishers describe these books as "hilarious." Producers use the same adjective for "Daddy Day Care," along with "sidesplitting."

Real-life families have changed considerably since "Mr. Mom" appeared, with more men sharing child-rearing and household chores. But public portrayals often remain stuck in stereotypes of hapless domesticated dads. That image rankles some men in real-life role reversals, who think the laugh-track approach demeans what they do.

"It's almost as though the media want us to think of them as bumbling fathers, but they're not," says Peter Baylies, founder of the At-Home Dad Network.

A report released this week by the Council on Contemporary Families finds that American men do more housework and child care than men in any of the other four developed countries surveyed: France, Italy, Germany, and Japan.

Finding humor in parenthood is nothing new, of course. Erma Bombeck played motherhood for a million laughs. And as Scott Coltrane, a professor of sociology at the University of California, Riverside, notes, "Comic, inept dads have been around for a long time."

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, a number of "househusband" books were published, many written by reporters taking a year off. "There's now kind of a genre for the new dad: the involved, nurturing father, celebrating the joys of actually being a parent," he says.

Popular culture both honors and makes fun of men in families, Professor Coltrane says. "Cultural images feed off men's and women's anxieties over changing gender and parenting roles."

He describes "contradictory tensions" in cultural stereotypes. "In one, men are bumbling idiots - they can't do anything. In the other, men are capable, nurturing, caring, and loving people. Both are addressed to women. One makes women feel good because he's a bozo and can't do it. The other is more a wish fulfillment that there actually are men out there who are kind, caring, sensitive, even sexy."

Ironically, Coltrane adds, "Men are lampooned when they're doing more."

David Eddie, author of the just-published "Housebroken: Confessions of a Stay-at-Home Dad" (Riverhead, $14), playfully calls himself "Cinderfella" and a "faceless drudge." He takes his toddler son to his favorite watering hole with him, and leaves him at a lingerie shop called Nearly Naked, in the care of the owner, a friend, while he runs errands.

Similarly, in the forthcoming "I Sleep at Red Lights: A True Story of Life After Triplets" (St. Martin's, $24.95), Bruce Stockler describes himself as "an anomaly, like a mermaid or an anarchist." The stay-at-home dad, he writes ruefully, is "a socially awkward reality in the suburbs." Yet, ever the humorist, he goes for laughs as he describes taking his three young sons and daughter to the ladies' room at a shopping mall, because it was cleaner than the men's room.

Mr. Baylies speculates that humor in these movies and books helps to counter deep ambivalence about role reversals. "The real changes in families might not be what the public wants to hear," he says. "Maybe we're afraid to lose the notion that moms aren't always going to stay home. There's always that masculinity thing that Dad wants to hold on to, that macho image. It's hard to give up. It's so ingrained in us. I don't think the public wants to let it go. But it's happening gradually."

Baylies, of North Andover, Mass., sees heartening signs of progress, from changing tables in McDonald's men's rooms to play groups for at-home fathers and their children. He has cared for the couple's two sons, now 11 and 8, since he was laid off as a software engineer in 1992. His wife teaches school.

One self-described househusband in southern California, a former lawyer who wants to be identified only as Mark, has been home with the couple's three sons for nearly 10 years. He calls entertainment-media images of men like himself "clichéd" and "superficial," adding, "There is depth to what we're doing."

In American society, he says, "there's not much left in terms of what it's OK to poke fun at. Jokes about women, ethnic groups, and gays are frowned on. But men at home remain fair game."

Still, he remains hopeful that as more men assume new roles, "we will eventually reach a crossover point where it won't be that funny anymore."

As fictional househusbands and real-life at-home fathers grapple with doubts, fears, and guilt about their unconventional roles, they also find themselves redeemed by family life. The eternal verities of parenthood bring satisfaction: It's hard work, but it's rewarding, too.

No wonder these "sidesplitting" movies and "hilarious" books specialize in heartwarming endings. "I look upon taking care of him as a crucial step in my spiritual path, in my development as a human being," Mr. Eddie writes.

Echoing that theme, Mr. Stockler says, "I love my children fiercely."

Mark, too, finds unexpected rewards. "You're an easy target for ridicule, but you're also an easy target for people to praise you and tell you you're great," he says. "What I do is no different from what mothers have always done. But I get a lot more credit."
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George
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:25 pm
I think I would have gone bonkers.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:33 pm
my friends are doing it. she will work and he will stay at home. with TWINS.... BOYS!!! <shudder>

our chinese friend asked her, terrified:"Are you OK? Why is he making you work? There are hotlines in the phonebook if you need to talk" Couldn't understand they would actually want it this way...
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:33 pm
Laughing

I dont know if it is the children that make it hard so much as it is the seclusion...
You REALLY do dissappear from society in a big way when you stay at home.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:45 pm
The third kid in my friend the stay-at-home dad's family is arriving soon. He's braver than I am.
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ul
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:32 pm
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2005 07:00 am
dag, funny you mention chinese. i am half chinese, and still want to be the bread winner. i know it isn't typical and will be looked down upon, as my chinese grandparents have already expressed their disapproval, but since i have higher earning potential than my hubby, i will be the one working. not that he wouldn't if i wanted to stay home (and not that i don't), it just seems to make more sense this way anyway. we are opposite the "normal" couple. he does all the laundry, cleans, cooks, etc. i sit on the couch and watch football yelling obscenties when my team does something stupid. Smile i have to wonder how many men truly would give up their careers-in grad school, all of my guy friends (which 70% of my class was male) kept saying do you have a sister who would willing to work so i could stay at home? but i have to wonder if it was in jest. i am glad to see though that the trend is changing.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2005 08:08 am
I've been a sort of stay at home Dad for a couple of years although I must admit that 2 boys older than 12 years are low maintanance.
I do 95% of the cooking and keep the kitchen neat although ms. pan still does the deep cleaning which I am incapable of learning.
Most of my time is taken up by renovating the house which I expect will take about another year.
Today I'm gonna tackle a glass block window which I'm installing in the shower wall.

Toodles
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2005 09:45 am
panzade wrote:
ms. pan still does the deep cleaning which I am incapable of learning.


If you have to wash the dishes
And you drop one on the floor
Maybe you won't have to wash the dishes anymore.
SmileSmileSmile
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dragon49
 
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Reply Mon 20 Jun, 2005 10:01 am
drewdad...funny you mention that logic...

when mr. dragon and i first got married...i cleaned the house, he came home and griped about how crappy of a job i did, cleaned everything a second time, hence i no longer do it.

was is planned??? hmmm, let me think on that Wink
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 11:06 am
DrewDad wrote:


If you have to wash the dishes
And you drop one on the floor
Maybe you won't have to wash the dishes anymore.
SmileSmileSmile


That's funny...the 12 year old's mantra...fer sure.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 11:32 am
panzade,

i guess my concern for my hubby is that at some point he might feel as though he fell down on his "manly" duties since the "typical" role a man plays is the breadwinner. we have talked about many different options from him staying home completely to us having daycare 3 days a week (my mom said she would watch 2 days a week) to putting them in daycare until they were old enough for school and then my hubby working only while they were in school (his current profession offers him some flexibility, but if he reduced his hours obviously he would reduce his pay).

do you ever feel resentful toward your wife because she works and you don't?

there are a million questions i could ask, i just don't want 5 years down the line after having kids for him to resent me for whatever reason.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 12:19 pm
dragon49 wrote:
panzade,

i guess my concern for my hubby is that at some point he might feel as though he fell down on his "manly" duties since the "typical" role a man plays is the breadwinner.


That's something I've been dealing with. It helps if your spouse doesn't have any hang ups about it. She was the breadwinner raising 3 boys when I met her so she's capable of both roles.


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do you ever feel resentful toward your wife because she works and you don't?


Not at all. The plan is for her to stay home and study nursing law as soon as the house is done.

I think the optimum scenario is the mother stays home the first 3 years. After that the child is gonna be really independant. It's crucial that they feel totally loved 24/7. That's what my sister did and her kid is an incredible teenager.

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i just don't want 5 years down the line after having kids for him to resent me for whatever reason.


Yeah ...well...that's what planning is all about.Once he commits..it's a done deal.
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dragon49
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 02:15 pm
mr. dragon says he has no hang ups about it, but will he really know until he's there? i guess that is true whether the stay at home parent is the mom or dad.

i am kinda leaning now more towards having my mom watch them two days a week, my job told me i could work from home maybe 1-2 days a week, and then we only have one left. i figure though once they are 6 months or older, working from home isn't going to be that easy because you have to chase them. and then once they walk...its all over. then i guess its day care or daddy the other 3 days. i was raised with a stay at home mom so i am partial to daddy staying home as opposed to day care.

once they start school, daddy will probably work part time while they are at school. but we are a few years off from that time, so i guess i shouldn't stress over it just yet...

thanks for your comments.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 02:45 pm
Actually, working from home won't be that easy from day one. The stereotype is that babies just lay there, but there is so much you have to do even at the very beginning. Hard to have unbroken chunks of time to concentrate, if that's what you need. Not to mention the likelihood of extreme sleep deprivation.
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