woiyo wrote:Parados asks...
"What couldn't they determine woiyo? Be specific with quotes from the UNSCOM reports. Lets examine what items of substance couldn't be found. Cite them and we can discuss them. "
Here you go Tiger!!!!
26. Analysis at the laboratories designated by the Commission has detected the presence of degradation products of nerve agents, in particular VX, on a number of warhead remnants which had been excavated at the sites of the unilateral destruction.
Degraded products of nerve agents are WMD how? The issue is the statement by Iraq that they never filled warheads but then it appears they did. This is not a case of items not being found but a question of what Iraq said vs what was found. The paragraph goes on to say...
"Clarification by Iraq of these issues as recommended by the meeting.." Hmm.. nothing about missing WMD.
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In one aspect related to the destruction of BW warheads, the Commission, after consulting a group of international experts, assessed that Iraq's declaration that 15 warheads had been destroyed simultaneously conflicted with physical evidence collected at the declared location of their unilateral destruction.
You left off the FIRST sentence of this section.. "27. The Commission found that Iraq's explanations on procedures and methods of unilateral destruction of the special warheads were, in general, plausible." A plausible explanation of destruction does not proof make that they weren't destroyed. The paragraph doesn't say they weren't destroyed but that Iraq wasn't truthful in its statement of WHEN they were destroyed. Iraq claims they were all destroyed at the same time but the physical evidence points to 2 different destruction times. Iraq hid some of the warheads then destroyed them later claiming they were all destroyed with the first destruction. "The discrepancies between Iraq's declarations and the physical evidence collected need to be resolved. In addition, the Commission's investigations showed that, despite repeated attempts, Iraq had not provided the true locations of the hiding, immediately prior to the declared unilateral destruction, of at least half of the special warheads including abovementioned 15 BW warheads. "
Quote:28. The full and verifiable accounting for proscribed missile conventional warheads remains outstanding in the verification of the premise that Iraq has not retained any holding of proscribed missiles and that all proscribed missiles and their warheads indeed had been destroyed. Issues related to remnants of warheads that have not been recovered, but which have been declared by Iraq as unilaterally destroyed (some 25 imported warheads and some 25 Iraqi manufactured warheads), remain unresolved in the accounting of proscribed warheads that Iraq claimed to have destroyed unilaterally.
I could swear that this paragraph says CONVENTIONAL warheads. It doesn't say a thing about WMD.
Quote:29. The full accounting for imported proscribed missile propellants is outstanding. Any retention of such propellants would be an indication that not all proscribed missiles were destroyed as claimed by Iraq.
Propellant is an INDICATION not all were destroyed. Not much there but speculation.
Quote:However, a dozen mustard-filled shells were recovered at a former CW storage facility in the period 1997-1998. The chemical sampling of these munitions, in April 1998, revealed that the mustard was still of the highest quality. After seven years, the purity of mustard ranged between 94 and 97%.
In 1991 Iraq declared they had LOST some munitions containing Mustard gas. Those munitions were never found except for a few here and there. Looks like they were lost based on present facts. Of course the mustard would have further degraded by 2003, another 6 years.
Quote:35. The degree of verification achieved is not satisfactory. Iraq declared that it had produced a total of 3.9 tonnes of VX. Iraq provided documents on production in 1988, but failed to provide verifiable evidence for its activities in 1990.
"failed to provide verifiable evidence for activities." No evidence of any WMD here.
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38. Since August 1995, Iraq has submitted a number of "Full, Final and Complete Disclosures" (FFCD) of its declared BW programme. These declarations have been assessed by the Commission and by international experts as incomplete, inadequate and containing substantial deficiencies.
Gee. Saddam wasn't quite truthful about everything he had. Is that a reason to invade and remove a ruler? Because he wasn't truthful about his warlike activity?
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39. In the Commission's view, Iraq has not complied with requirements of the relevant Security Council resolutions on the disclosure of its biological warfare programme. A full, complete and verifiable disclosure of all its biological weapons activities needs to be presented by Iraq.
Yep, the only thing Saddam seems to be guilty of is not being completely honest. Or maybe he was just given faulty intelligence. No real evidence of any WMD that he refused to give up.
No games woiyo... your "them" refers to WMD
woiyo wrote:WRONG. The inspectors never found anything of substance and could not determine what happened to them. That was the problem.
You provided not much evidence of missing WMD. Just a lot of speculative arguments of Saddam not being truthful.
As for your claim the inspectors never found anything of substance. That one is laughable when compared to the report.
"The Commission identified remnants of engines from 83 out of the 85 missiles declared."
Fixed launch sites (completed or under construction) 56
Destroyed under UNSCOM supervision or their destruction certified by UNSCOM.
Of 352 warheads for Scuds and Al hassain missiles, 298-308 are confirmed destroyed. (The remaining ones are the missing 50 you mentioned earlier)
Unscom confirmed or witnessed the use or destruction of 818 tonnes of rocket fuel.
Of 127,941 munitions capable of holding chemical weapons, Unscom has accepted or witnessed the destruction of over 125,000. The only ones not accounted for are 2000 unfilled ones and 550 missing ones filled with mustard (That looks pretty SUBSTANTIVE to me.)
Of 412 tonnes of Chemical Weapon agents, 411 were destroyed by Unscom
