Karla Homolka to be released July 5th

Is there a polite way to express what kind of idiocy this comment is?

(How in hell did I miss it?)

Gunga, What do you mean?









(Beth, what a great avatar!)

What I mean is, that if believe that your neighbor is a meat byproduct of random events, and that the only moral law in nature is "the survival of the fittest", which is what the theory of evolution is all about, then somebody doing the kinds of things Karla and Paul were doing, is basically just obeying the laws of nature. An evolutionist cannot frame a rational or logical argument against this sort of thing.

Again the best statement of this sort of thing might be that of the noted evolutionist Jeffrey Dahmer:

You have probably put it as politely as is possible. Idiocy is the operative word and we might have to explain that word to GS

This is the sickest thing that I have read today on any forum or anywhere else for the matter.

I'm just telling it like it is. If that makes YOU sick, so be it.

Not "it", you.

There is a marked difference between telling it like it is and telling it like YOU see it.

Two comments. One to keep the thread on track, the other for Gunga.

1. I would imagine that back then the prosecution needed to cut a deal with Karla Homolka to put away the killer. He had to go away for the rest of his natural life. It's a shame they had to cut the deal and she is now getting out but at least he's still in there. He should die in prison.

2. Gunga - if you want to discuss the relationship between the knowledge of evolution and it's allegedly provoking people into killing each other take it to another thread. There you can ponder why there was so much slaughter even before Charles Darwin and Herbert Spencer published their findings and wonder why the slaughter continues even among those who have never heard of Darwin or Spencer. But to raise that here in this thread is just bad manners.

There was probably a point in time when Louis Pasteur was the only person on Earth who understood that diseases were caused by germs. Was it bad manners for him to tell people about it?

False doctrines cause bad conduct the same way that germs cause diseases.

Not a bad try Gunga but I think you deliberately missed the point. No matter. See you on the other thread?

Karla Homolka remains enigma after hearing on release conditions
at 20:07 on June 3, 2005, EST.
NELSON WYATT

JOLIETTE, Que. (CP) - Judging by her court appearance this week, Karla Homolka could be a sketch artist's dream.

She seldom moved as she sat in the prisoner's dock Thursday and Friday. She rarely changed her expression. Sometimes spectators even thought she had nodded off during the proceedings to decide if she would face restrictions on her freedom after 12 years in prison for manslaughter.

The strict restrictions on where she could go and what she could do were imposed but the only time she reacted was when Quebec court Judge Jean Beaulieu said she couldn't associate with known criminals, effectively putting the kibosh on her romance with Jean-Paul Gerbet, who is in jail after killing his girlfriend.

Her brows knitted at that news. A slight frown creased her tanned, lightly made-up face.

Even orders she can't contact former husband Paul Bernardo, her accomplice in the killings of Ontario schoolgirls Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French, only prompted her to shift in her chair, a brief look as if to say "so what" crossing her face.

This week's court appearances were the first extended glimpse the public has had in a decade of one of Canada's most notorious female criminals.

Before, they only knew her in family photos obtained by media, showing a young woman aping singer Olivia Newton John, complete with big, puffy hair and coquettish smile.

There was also prison party Karla, showing her dolled-up in a black dress and straight blond hair sharing a birthday cake with other inmates at the prison in Joliette, Que., where she served most of her time.

Most familiar though was Homolka during her trial, when she was photographed walking to a prison van, her head tilted, eyes staring vacantly into the camera.

At 35, smile lines crease the side of her mouth, although she rarely smiled during the proceedings. Another line runs across her forehead but her skin appears otherwise blemish-free.

Her wardrobe was conservative, a gold pantsuit and black mock turtleneck the first day, a more figure-flattering charcoal grey shirt and black pants on Friday.

Her only jewelry was a silver watch with a blue face.

The first day she walked into the prisoner's dock in handcuffs and leg shackles, causing her to look like she was tip-toeing around, her chains jingled as she moved. The cuffs later came off.

The petite Homolka generally stared straight ahead during the proceedings, turning her head slightly to look at the lawyers or the judge when they talked. There might be a slight roll of her eyes if she felt she was being studied, which was usually the case, sometimes by reporters with binoculars sitting no more than three metres away.

That's when Homolka's long eyelashes would sweep her lids over her eyes, like shades being pulled over a window on her soul. Then her head would shift and the eyes would snap onto her observers, the brilliant whites contrasting with her skin.

The only time she showed much emotion was Thursday, when a Niagara Regional Police officer recounted her crimes.

When her deeds involving French and Mahaffy were listed, her breathing became heavier and quicker and she rolled her tongue around in her mouth and over her lips as if to moisten them.

When Const. Brian Noble talked about how she served her sister Tammy up to Bernardo, helping him drug and rape her, her mouth twisted into a grimace, she dabbed at her eyes with a tissue, then her fingers, and bowed her head, obscuring her face with her long dirty blond hair. She seemed to weep, rocking slightly in her chair.

Some of those reporters with binoculars said later her cheeks appeared dry.

The more I read about this, the scarier she gets. Her reaction to hearing her crimes recounted sounds like excitement. Does anyone doubt that she is a major head case - and still dangerously sick? Nothing can be done on that front I suppose. I just hope she doesn't hook up with another like Bernardo and resume her violence and mayhem. She obviously has a taste for it. Terrifying to think of her in society among innocent adolescents and young adults.

It gets a lot scarier. To find anything as evil as this chick and her ex husband you pretty much need to go back to Joseph Mengele and even that's problematical.

What I think you have here is a case in which all the theories broke down, not the least of which was Canadian policework. These two should have been caught three years before they were, and several lives would have been saved had that happened.

But it's mainly the modern science of psychology which broke down. Psychology offers a partial explanation of what happened with Homolka in its 'compliant victim' studies:

http://www.karlykurls.com/cvss/CVSS.htm

but it's no better than a partial explanation. What I think you have here is a society which has more or less abandoned religion in favor of psychology and secular humanism and what not, and these two (Bernardo and Homolka) have given that society a view of the abyss.

More follow-up....

Karla Homolka saw Quebec as the best place to blend in after release: reports
at 18:41 on June 5, 2005, EST.
NELSON WYATT

MONTREAL (CP) - Karla Homolka saw Quebec as "a separate country" where it would be easy to blend in after her release from prison for helping to kill two Ontario schoolgirls, court documents say.

The observation was contained in a psychiatric evaluation released during a hearing, which set restrictions on her freedom when she leaves prison in the coming weeks.

"She wanted to be able to blend into the community without anybody knowing who she was or where she lived," said the report done in 2000.

"She planned on changing her name and appearance," the report noted, information that is echoed in more recent reports and by obvious attempts to darken her hair colour before last week's court appearance in Joliette, north of Montreal.

The reports do differ on Homolka's preferred language. An evaluation done in Montreal last month says she prefers to speak English despite her ability in French while another says French is her preferred language.

Last week's court hearings were done in French at Homolka's request, although some saw that as an attempt to thwart input by lawyers from Ontario.

Homolka, who now goes by the name Karla Leanne Teale, said she feared for her safety if people knew who she was and where she lived.

The conditions for her release include telling police her address, place of work, any change in name and all details of travel plans.

Homolka, who has dyed her light blonde hair a dirty brown and changed her hair style, has already started the process to change her name before her release, which is slated for July 5 but could come as early as June 30.

"She thought that living in Quebec would be preferable because she considered it to be 'a separate country"', said the report by Dr. Robin Menzies.

"She believed that few people in Quebec had heard of her and it would be easy for her to blend in to society. She based this on her experiences at Joliette, where she had been accepted for the person she was rather than what she had done."

Most of Homolka's 12-year sentence for the sordid sex slayings of Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French was spent at the Joliette Institution, 75 kilometres north of Montreal.

Indeed, few in Quebec paid much attention to the St. Catharines, Ont., native before media attention was ramped up pending her release. Only a small group of curious turned up at the courthouse for her hearing last week, unlike the lineups that greeted other sensational Quebec proceedings like the sexual assault trial of entertainment mogul Guy Cloutier.

The 2000 psychiatric evaluation was done at the Regional Psychiatric Centre in Saskatoon and was included in the request for stringent conditions on Homolka's release last week. The reports, which have been confidential, were released with Homolka's consent.

The reports suggest Homolka was generally little trouble behind bars.

The documents also refer to two romantic liaisons in prison, one with a woman and the other with Jean-Paul Gerbat, who is serving a life sentence for strangling his ex-girlfriend to death.

Her relationship with Gerbat was one of the reasons cited by Judge Jean R. Beaulieu for limiting her freedom upon release and she is forbidden from associating with violent offenders.

The reports say Homolka was not forthcoming about her relationship with the female convict and did not want to tell her parents, saying she and her sister had agreed "her parents could not deal with this information at the moment."

The report said Homolka recognized she might have difficulty adjusting to life outside prison because of her years of incarceration and that it might be hard for her to find a job.

She said she "was prepared to work at anything legal," citing one of her biggest worries as being able to support herself financially.

Her release conditions, however, forbid her from being around parks or playgrounds or anyone under 16 years old.

Homolka has an above average intelligence, testing between 131 and 134 on IQ tests. The standard for near genius or genius is more than 140.

She said she intended to seek help from organizations such as the Elizabeth Fry Society - which has confirmed recently it has received a request from her - and Life Line, another support organization.

Homolka also said at the time she intended to continue therapy, a condition that was part of her release restrictions imposed Friday.

An evaluation done last month by Dr. Louis Morissette notes Homolka did obtain a bachelor's degree in psychology from Queen's University but was unable to pursue studies in sociology because no correspondence course was offered. She's interested in possibly furthering her education once released.

The former veterinarian's assistant also took computer courses and French courses. During her prison stretch, she worked in the kitchen and helped to translate documents.

She has become a vegetarian since her incarceration, a lifestyle that she says has interested her since childhood but was impossible to follow while she lived with husband Paul Bernardo, who is serving a life sentence for the French and Mahaffy killings.

Homolka is in good health, although she suffers from migraines and slight asthma and allergies. She also is lightly anemic because of her vegetarianism.

She does take medication for her problems and is limited to eight Florinal tablets a month. She usually takes between five and eight. She is forbidden by her release condition from possessing several legally obtainable drugs used in her crimes.

Homolka, who regularly attends support group meetings for convicts, cites her family as her other support net and she is in regular telephone contact with them. She phones her mother two or three times a week and her sister Logan about twice per month.

She has never gone on unsupervised visits outside the prison and was accompanied by guards when she visited a doctor or went to court.

Uneventful life Homolka's best bet for re-joining Canadian society: image guru
at 17:25 on June 5, 2005, EST.
GREG BONNELL

TORONTO (CP) - The palpable fear and loathing Canadians harbour for Karla Homolka has many observers, including a group dedicated to helping female ex-convicts rebuild their lives, doubting whether the schoolgirl killer will ever be able to successfully re-integrate into society.

Still, while the prospect of something resembling a normal life might seem a distant fantasy for Canada's most notorious female offender, one expert in recasting public perception says it may not necessarily be a mission impossible.

In one month, Homolka, 35, will complete a 12-year prison sentence for her role in the grisly rape and torture deaths of Ontario teens Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffy.

A battery of court-imposed restrictions, including orders that she stay away from other ex-convicts, check in frequently with police and avoid contact with children under 16, will greet Homolka upon her release.

The media attention alone will be relentless.

That level of public scrutiny essentially guarantees Homolka may never again know any semblance of normalcy, said Kim Pate of the Canadian Associations of Elizabeth Fry Societies in Ottawa.

"It's going to be very difficult, if ever, for her to integrate into the community," Pate said.

The mission of the Elizabeth Fry Society is to help female inmates establish new lives once they're freed from prison, but it has never before dealt with a woman of Homolka's notoriety; until now, only male convicts have elicited her level of public anger.

"In the few cases we've seen involving men, what we've seen is them going underground, being driven underground, or ending up back in prison, sometimes seeking to end up back in prison," Pate said.

Homolka, whose public image is as jaundiced as they come, might be able to avoid such a fate, but it would require a meticulously planned strategy executed over time, said Bernie Gauthier of Delta Media, an Ottawa firm that provides public relations advice to government and business leaders.

"The profile she has when she does get released is going to be insane," Gauthier said. "It's going to be a very difficult time for her."

For a P.R. guru like Gauthier, Homolka would constitute the ultimate professional challenge. "You'd have to set out with really modest expectations about what you could accomplish."

Step one upon her release would be for Homolka to issue a written public statement to let Canadians know she doesn't pose a threat, he said.

"Somehow, she needs to get the word out and reassure the community that she is no longer a threat and all she wants to do is integrate back into society and continue her life. That's a clear message that she needs to send."

Homolka will also need to accept the fact that the horrific crimes she committed with ex-husband Paul Bernardo, which include the drug-rape death of her younger sister Tammy, mean she'll need modest expectations for life on the outside.

"She's not going to be forgiven; she's not going to be loved," Gauthier said. Changing her name, dramatically altering her appearance or going into hiding would only harm her chances of one day blending back into Canadian society, he added.

"Just go about your life without making broad, big media statements or doing things to somehow attract attention to yourself."

In other words, said Gauthier, the bottom line for Homolka will be to lead as boring and unremarkable an existence as possible.

"That's not terribly creative as a strategy, but I think for her, given the situation, it will be the only way it will work."

On Friday, a Quebec judge barred Homolka from contacting any of her sexual assault victims or their families. She must contact police once a month, notify them about her whereabouts and provide 96 hours notice if she wants to leave the province of Quebec.

She will also be required to undergo therapy and provide a DNA sample for a criminal database.

She will also be forbidden from consuming drugs other than prescription medication. The restrictions will be in effect for 12 months, at which point Crown prosecutors have said they'll seek to have the restrictions extended.

In the short term, Homolka will have to find a place to live and a way to support herself.

It's expected she'll reside in Montreal.

Yep, that should make everything right. Get the word out. I tortured young girls and assisted in the murder of my sister, but I am no longer a threat to anyone.

Senator: Restrictions on Homolka are "totalitarian&quot
I think this politician should have kept his mouth shut. He's made himself out to be quite a fool.

Senator says law imposing restrictions on Homolka are "totalitarian"
at 18:55 on June 10, 2005, EST.
ALEXANDER PANETTA

OTTAWA (CP) - A Quebec senator is standing by his contention that schoolgirl killer Karla Homolka's freedom is being violated by a totalitarian-style law.

Liberal Senator Michel Biron's comments raised eyebrows on Parliament Hill on Friday, but he didn't back down.

Conservative deputy leader Peter MacKay called Biron's "moral support" for Homolka repugnant.

And one member of the Liberal caucus in the Commons called on Biron to resign.

The senator said there's no excusing the horrific crimes Homolka committed, but he's against the law imposing restrictions on Homolka's post-prison life - including monthly check-ins with police and avoiding contact with former criminals.

He says he's revolted by Section 810 of the Criminal Code and it should be scrapped because it repunishes criminals even after they've paid their debt to society.

"This law is the kind of law used in totalitarian regimes," Biron said in an interview Friday.

"Rehabilitation is more important. We are not living in the time of Victor Hugo, with Les Miserables."

Biron said he's never met Homolka and isn't excusing her actions.

"I want to reiterate my sympathy for the victims and the victims' families . . . and in no way am I defending the crimes Homolka has committed," he said.

Homolka will be released between June 30 and July 4 after completing a sentence for her role in the grisly sex killings of teenagers Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French.

She was given a reduced jail term after testifying against her husband Paul Bernardo. He is serving a life sentence for the killings.

Walt Lastewa, Liberal MP for St. Catharines, Ont., the scene of Bernado and Homolka's crimes, said Biron should quit if he wants to lend her his personal support.

"I feel he has totally made bizarre statements and as far as I'm concerned he should resign," Lastewa said.

"If he wants to do things in a personal light, he should resign from the Senate.

Biron, 71, attended the hearing in Joliette, Que., last week that resulted in conditions on Homolka's release.

Appointed to the Senate in 2001 by then-prime minister Jean Chretien, Biron is a former telecommunications executive and recipient of the Order of Canada.

Section 810 came into effect in 1994 amid a public uproar over repeat sex offenders who resumed targeting children following their release from prison.

Re: Senator: Restrictions on Homolka are "totalitarian&



The whole country looks bad. I can't figure out whether the girl is actually some sort of a psychopath or whether she actually wants to try to redeem herself somehow or other, and it's questionable if she'll last long enough for anybody to find out. The restrictions they've put on her will make a sitting duck target out of her and the whole country seems to want to use her for target practice.

The senator is lucky that they are appointed in Canada, and not elected. Otherwise, he would have a tough time getting back in.

Personally, I don't disagree with this Section 810 stuff. Similar restrictions are put on other convicted felons, like pedophiles (at least in Canada). They must notify police where they are living, stay away from kids and playgrounds, etc, that sort of thing.

I'm all for a Sex Offender Registry. They haven't managed that here yet, but I thought there was such a thing in the U.S.?