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Tulsi Gabbard Is Having A MAGA Moment After Her Debate Performance.

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 12:50 am
When Daniel Patrick Moynihan retired as a New York senator, several prominent New York Democrats urged Clinton to run for the office. She had attended Wellesley College in Massachusetts (she was from the Chicago suburbs) and then Yale Law School, where she met her future husband. She was familiiar with and well-known in the East. She had always been a conservative, and had campaigned for Goldwater in 1964. Marrying a classic southern Democratic conservative and moving to Arkansas was completely in line with her political history. When Charles Rangel, one of the longest serving Congressmen in the House, and a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus and then chair of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee urged her to run for Moynihan's Senate seat, it was a 24 carat gold invitation. She visited every county in New York, and ran an exemplary campaign. (Which leaves me bemused when I think of the train wreck of her campaign in 2016.) Her elections to the Senate were her own accomplishments, and had notying to do with her husband, who had zero political pull in New York.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 01:23 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

And you think she could have been elected senator in New York if she hadn't married Bill Clinton first, and if he hadn't been elected president?


Sure, there are so many male politician's wives currently serving in elected office, do you really want to hang your hat on that?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 01:24 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Evidently, it cannot be proven either way, but I don't buy it.


Oh Gosh, that's too...........never mind, nobody cares.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 03:58 am
@glitterbag,
To each his or her own opinions about folks. I can't force you to love Sanders and you can't force me to see Hillary Clinton as this big overachiever you seem to think she is. I think she benefitted from her husband career. She's not the only one. W Bush was daddy's son, whith well-known results. In the US system name recognition is key, and this and other factors empower political dynasties. Look at how some people wanted Michelle Obama to run for president.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 05:27 am
@glitterbag,
That proves his point. They all owe their husband’s coattails. Sheesh, the echo chamber eventually does rot Centrist brains.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 05:30 am
@Olivier5,
You better agree with them. The next step is for Blatham to make a big Nazi statement about you, telling everyone you’re a russian, and not to speak yo you.

Great example of American political discourse.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 05:39 am
Quote:
Christopher Hitchens and I weren’t close friends—I was a lesser planet in his orbit. Every so often I felt the rhetorical lash of his published words on my back, and then I tried to make him feel mine, and you can guess who got the better of those exchanges. They usually had to do with Iraq. We both supported the war, but I supported it in an ambivalent, liberal way, while Christopher supported it in a heroic, revolutionary way. The more I saw of the war, the deeper my despair became. Christopher made it a point of honor never to call retreat.

I know of many friendships that ended in those years, including a few of mine. But something strange happened between Christopher and me. For every time he called me a split-the-difference bien-pensant, and for every time I called him a pseudo–Lord Byron, we seemed to become better friends. We would say rude things about each other in print, and then we’d exchange tentatively regretful emails without yielding an inch, and then we’d meet for a drink and the whole thing would go unmentioned, and somehow there was more warmth between us than before. Exchanging barbs was a way of bonding with Christopher.

(...)

Last year I taught a journalism course at Yale. My students were talented and hardworking, but I kept running into a problem: They always wanted to write from a position of moral certainty. This was where they felt strongest and safest. I assigned them to read writers who demonstrated the power of inner conflict and moral weakness—Baldwin, Orwell, Naipaul, Didion. I told my students that good writing never comes from the display of virtue. But I could see that they were skeptical, as if I were encouraging them deliberately to botch a job interview. They were attracted to subjects about which they’d already made up their minds.

atlantic/packer
blatham
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 05:47 am
@Setanta,
Excellent recap. What I find so acutely concerning is how that information has been subsumed under avalanches of disinformation.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 05:54 am
@hightor,
There are few weeks that pass where I don't turn to some youtube discussion or debate with Hitchens. Astonishingly brilliant and he was anything but cowardly.

But to your main point, the comfort and dangerous limitations of certainty, Packer has it right. Thanks for that one.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 06:16 am
Hillary Clinton would have been just another Wellesley grad if her husband hadn’t been president.

See if you can answer this question: WHY was Hillary Clinton asked and supported by the DNC over other Wellesley grads?

You people have no association with truth left in you.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2020 11:04 am
@Lash,
Gee, another Ollie clone.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2020 01:45 am
@Lash,
"American political discourse"? Is that supposed to be some sort of gold standard?

Blatham is Canadian; I'm French. We know better than that.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2020 02:18 am
@Olivier5,
I mean exactly what I said.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2020 01:00 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
When Charles Rangel, one of the longest serving Congressmen in the House, and a founding member of the Congressional Black Caucus and then chair of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee urged her to run for Moynihan's Senate seat, it was a 24 carat gold invitation.

I suppose it was. Is the theory that when Rangel made this proposal to Hillary Clinton, in 1998, he did so without considering in the least her name recognition potential (she had just spent 5 years in the White House) and keeping his relation with her husband, Bill Clinton, then POTUS, behind some kind of mental firewall?
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 27 Jan, 2020 01:15 pm
@Olivier5,
Once upon a time, an American, a Canadian and a Frenchman tried to share a common standard of political discourse... the rest belongs to the Very Bad Jokes thread.
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