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Matthew 25:31-46 (The Sheep and the Goats)

 
 
Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 02:29 am
Matthew 25:31-46


The Sheep and the Goats


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025:31-46
 
Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 03:05 am
The release of the U.N. report on extreme poverty in the United States comes amid a nationwide, weeks-long direct action campaign known as the new Poor People’s Campaign, aimed at fighting poverty and racism in the United States. Nearly 2,000 people have been arrested around the country since the campaign began in March, 50 years after Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. launched the first Poor People’s Campaign. We speak with Reverend Dr. William Barber, co-chair of the new Poor People’s Campaign.

Published June 15, 2018
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 10:41 am
@Real Music,
Can youmpost a site for this 2000 arrested claim plrsse.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 12:33 pm
@Real Music,
Hi, been gone a little while. I tried to go to other sites and found out, it is the same at those sites as it is here, only worse in some cases. The only difference I found different to the good was the format and different features they had than here.

I've always been a little amazed at the disconnect between the sayings of Jesus and today's Christian right. I think they follow more in the line of Paul and Peter which seems almost contradictory unless you got a good biblical scholar to explain it to you. However, even in those chapters, it was clear that without charity, even if you have all faith and was righteous, you have nothing.

Quote:
1 Corinthians 13:2
And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.



izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 01:23 pm
@revelette1,
Welcome back Rev. You're right. A lot of the people who claim to be Christian now are just like the scribes and the Pharisees Christ had problems with.

They'd be the first to hammer Christ back up on a cross were he ever to come back down.

If they worship anything it's Mammon, not just money, but the wealth celebrity and fame that comes with it. Those with lots of money are touched by it, made more divine. How else do you explain the Evangelical's support of Trump? I know it's got a lot to do with abortion, but there's more to it than that, his wealth lifts him above the considerations of ordinary men, and it's that they're worshipping.

They decided to put money in charge so money would go around, only it's not. It's getting more and more concentrated in the hands of a tiny few who constantly moan about having to pay too much in taxes while Trump removes food aid from legitimate migrants.
revelette1
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 01:52 pm
@izzythepush,
Thank you. Grass is no greener on the other side. Moving on:

Trump is not really worried about the Latino vote because he seems to be trying to get rid of them all; and succeeding. It is shameful of him to go after legal immigrants. Often times we hear from folks on the other side about them not being against immigrants but against people who break the law. Well now they don't have a leg to stand on.

I wouldn't underestimate the abortion and gay one topic issues when it comes to voting. Maybe the rich Christian right is more persuaded by money and riches but the everyday Southern Baptist type republican (surrounded by them) totally vote based on those two issues alone. I don't know how they would vote if those two "moral" issues were not wrapped up in elections.

I don't know what real music point with this thread is but mine was to say, so you don't believe in abortion or homosexuality so you won't vote for a democrat because it is on their agenda. You get your (those on the Christian right) beliefs based on the bible. Jesus also taught charity and love of all human beings but you feel comfortable ignoring that one. Paul even said even if you have all faith (don't believe in abortion, gay rights...) if you don't have charity, you have nothing.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 02:08 pm
@revelette1,
Let's not whitewash the bible. The Bible is very clearly against homosexuality (no matter what modern revisionist teaching tries to say). The Apostle Paul specifically wasn't too keen on women speaking on spiritual topics either.

Someone who really followed the Bible would almost certainly support immigrants... but not gay marriage or feminism.

To be honest, with Jesus' focus about the Kingdom of Heaven and Paul's admonition about not being involved in earthly matters... I suspect that a true Biblical Christian wouldn't be involved in politics anyway.

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Real Music
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 08:31 pm
@revelette1,
Welcome back.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 14 Aug, 2019 11:40 pm
Today Christian churches adhere to the old testament and much less to the new. After all Christ was a socialist so back to the old testament where he is seldom mentioned.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 11:35 am
@RABEL222,
If we went further with this we would start getting into theology which belongs elsewhere. I will say however, though most agree with you, it is a misconception. In fact the new testament with Paul's epistles and some of Peters (I think) writings mention homosexuality.

To be flat dead honest, I have always been confused with Paul (or Timothy I forget at the top of my head) says something like "if you don't work, neither do you eat" but then Jesus said, "consider the lilies, they neither toil nor reap, yet neither Solomon and all his glory are not arrayed as these." (again not exact, going by memory.) Anyway, I finally reconciled it to my own personal satisfaction, I'll take what I believe and discard the rest of what I either don't understand or think might not even been meant to be included in the bible or true. Oddly enough, the only problem I have is with Paul and Timothy epistles. I don't have much trouble with the Old Testament, I figured it was the meant to be that way until Jesus came to wash away all sins and make everything new. (old law is the schoolmaster...Hebrew)


Side note: no offense to those believe differently and those of different faith.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:06 pm
@revelette1,
It is supposed to be Christianity, not Paulism. Paul gave his interpretation but he's not the same as Jesus, his words don't carry as much weight.

It's really only now that we fully understand that being LGBT is not a choice and it's wrong to penalise people for how they are.

These evangelicals never seem to be on the side of ordinary people, like the prohibitionist preachers who teamed up with robber barons to denounce the evils of alcohol instead of demanding a living wage and decent working conditions.

I recently watched an RSC live streaming of Measure for Measure. It's so goods, and so relevant today, all about powerful men forcing women to have sex, very much in tune with Me Too.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:20 pm
A Poor People's Campaign is what finally brought on the death of MLK. They couldn't abide somebody coalescing all of the poor into a single voice. If the current effort was led by a person of his stature, I suspect more assassinations would occur. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like. Some conspiracies are real or at least bear a grain of truth.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 12:53 pm
The whole point of the Bible is to show how you are superior to people who have different points of view. That is why everyone thinks the Bible agrees with them perfectly.

Since the Bible tells me that God agrees with me, I don't have to listen to those assholes anyway.

RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 01:18 pm
@revelette1,
What I was trying to say Christian churches today do not adhere to the teachings of Christ but to the supposed words of the apostles. Christ was god by the teachings of the Christian church. The apostles were just men with all mans imperfections and let their feelings get in the way of Christ's teachings. Just as I don't trust today's people to be honest with themselves neither do i trust the apostles to be so. I wish we had a bible with just Christ's teachings and ignored the apostles and especially the old testament.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 01:23 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

What I was trying to say Christian churches today do not adhere to the teachings of Christ but to the supposed words of the apostles. Christ was god by the teachings of the Christian church. The apostles were just men with all mans imperfections and let their feelings get in the way of Christ's teachings. Just as I don't trust today's people to be honest with themselves neither do i trust the apostles to be so. I wish we had a bible with just Christ's teachings and ignored the apostles and especially the old testament.


I doubt that having such a Bible would matter at all. If we found out that Jesus said that women should be submissive to men, would that change your mind about anything?

Nobody cares about what the Bible says... accept the parts that tell them they have been right all along.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:15 pm
@izzythepush,
For years I have felt like the guy in the song "losing my religion" because I was confused. I grew up going to church, dad was a preacher, in fact until about two years ago, I went most Sundays as well. I finally started to feel like a hypocrite; so I quit. I miss it and the people. Anyway, for me it's hard to be casual dismissing the apostles writings. But, in a long winded reply, I agree. I have just always differentiated between the apostles who wrote the gospels and Paul and later Timothy.
revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:17 pm
@RABEL222,
Once again, we'll get into a theological discussion. On the whole I agree with your concept.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:21 pm
@edgarblythe,
Sure would be great to have another MLK. Really interesting read on your thread about JFK and the death of MLK.

You're right, the white poor and poor minorities have always had a common ground if only race and other such issues didn't get in the way. I am not saying their problems are not different, but, the white poor in urban and rural areas and minority poor in both of those areas should vote more alike than they are currently.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:52 pm
@maxdancona,
The Bible is a series of sometimes contradictory, books by different authors from different time periods.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 15 Aug, 2019 02:53 pm
@maxdancona,
Why are you always trying to pick a fight?
 

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