Birth Control...Control?

FD-- It was a joke--but it had to be said.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Right, a pharmacist is not a physician - he is someone who
fills the prescription written by a physcian . The physician is the
expert writing the prescription, the pharmacist is merely
the tool to execute. It is - under no circumstances - the parmacists right to question either the physician or the
physician's decision.

They aren't doing that; they just don't feel morally right fulfilling some prescription. They didn't tell the person that it was the wrong prescription and that they didn't need it. They stated they didn't believe in birth control and didn't like the idea of handing it out. It is a big difference.

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You don't understand Baldimo: a pharmacist cannot
refuse filling a prescription due to his own personal
belief. Ones own personal belief or morals cannot
interfere, if serving the public is your chosen profession,
and whose beliefs and moral obligations are not shared
by the majority of people.

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Well. Actually...

A nurse can refuse to perform procedures she/he finds abhorrent.

Are you sure a managing pharm--or one who owns his shoppe can't make that call?

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Baldimo wrote:

They are doing their jobs except for one little part. I thought we lived in a free country? Do you not have morals? Would you do something that went against your morals.

What does living in a free country have to do with not doing your job? I thought you were mister no-free-rides. What if I wanted to be a cop, but my morals kept me from carrying a gun. I'd be doing my job except for that one little part.

And to answer your question, no, I wouldn't do something that went against my morals. So I'd find another profession if being a pharmacist went against them.

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Sure, as the proprietor of the pharmacy he can make
a decision to not sell birth control. His business probably
will decline drastically and he will feel the impact thereof -
too bad (not)!

Is the pharmacist an employee, I think the pharmacy owner
will take him either into a different department or have him
replaced.

Nevertheless, there should be a code of ethics also for
pharmacists - I will look if I can find something along
the lines..

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CalamityJane wrote:

You don't understand Baldimo: a pharmacist cannot
refuse filling a prescription due to his own personal
belief. Ones own personal belief or morals cannot
interfere, if serving the public is your chosen profession,
and whose beliefs and moral obligations are not shared
by the majority of people.

They are not paid by the govt so they can indeed bring their personal morals to the job. A private company pays them and the private company can indeed refuse service on a moral basis if they choose. This is a free country and the pharmacy isn't run by the govt except to provide them with a license to distribute drugs.

I work for a cable company and we offer soft porn on a pay-per-view basis. We have the right not to take a call where a person is ordering porn. People can trans the call to a different agent if taking the porn call is against their morals. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. Should that person be fired according to your public service analogy?

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Aha! Found it already

Quote:

VI. A pharmacist respects the values and abilities of colleagues and other health professionals.

A pharmacist acknowledges that colleagues and other health professionals may differ in the beliefs and values they apply to the care of the patient.

http://www.aphanet.org/pharmcare/ethics.html

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If it was a Jehovah's Witness or a Muslim--they'd be falling all over themselves to adhere to their religious rights...not to sell whatever crap they didn't want to sell.

Piss.

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Oh waaaah.

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Baldimo wrote:

I work for a cable company and we offer soft porn on a pay-per-view basis. We have the right not to take a call where a person is ordering porn. People can trans the call to a different agent if taking the porn call is against their morals. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. Should that person be fired according to your public service analogy?

Let's use your cable company as a comparison. If someone calls and orders soft porn, you can transfer the call, but you can't refuse him the soft porn, can you? Can you say, I don't approve of it so you can't watch it, even though my company provides it?

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Baldimo wrote:

They are not paid by the govt so they can indeed bring their personal morals to the job. A private company pays them and the private company can indeed refuse service on a moral basis if they choose. This is a free country and the pharmacy isn't run by the govt except to provide them with a license to distribute drugs.

I work for a cable company and we offer soft porn on a pay-per-view basis. We have the right not to take a call where a person is ordering porn. People can trans the call to a different agent if taking the porn call is against their morals. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. Should that person be fired according to your public service analogy?

No Baldimo, health care providers have a "code of ethics" they have
to follow and are obligated to put their own beliefs aside for the care
of the patient who has first priority.

Selling soft porn to a selected few is not the same as filling a prescription
for a patient whose life might significantly depend on it.

I have a friend with MS and she has gone through a life threatening
pregnancy once, another pregnancy would kill her. Birth control is
essential to her. It is not the pharmacists decision to tell her otherwise.

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They can go to a different pharmacy. They aren't restricting a person from acquiring the drug.

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Actually, according to their code of ethics they're obligated
to fill the prescription. They can chose a different path
of profession, and they aren't restricted in doing so.

Why should the majority be inconvenienced by a few
fanatics? Let them get a different job and everything is fine.

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Lash wrote:

They can go to a different pharmacy. They aren't restricting a person from acquiring the drug.

Actually, if they're the only pharmacy in town, they are.

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Surely if people dont do their full job they should be fired!!!

Some hospitals over here wont tell an expectant couple the gender of their unborn babies because of religion!!Whats the point in having all that equipment to do that kind of thing and then not tell the parents if they want to know..

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Here's the skinny on why this pharmicist believes their profession has the right to refuse specific services:

Quote:

What are protection of conscience laws?

Protection of Conscience Laws (PCL's) ensure that people cannot be forced to facilitate practices or procedures to which they object for reasons of conscience. These may include abortion, capital punishment, contraception, sterilization, artificial reproduction, euthanasia, assisted suicide, human experimentation, torture, etc

Source

This was in fact cited on the news program that I originally got the story from. Seems that if one supports the pharmacist, then one ought also support the soldier, as Baldimo alluded to earlier.

Brief essay and some comments here:

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This is from your essay

Quote:

I agree that freedom of conscience may in fact be the most important freedom we have - but just as no one forces a prude to work in the sex industry, no one forces a strict Catholic to sell birth control. I hardly find it reasonable to claim victimhood for pharmacists who went through years of schooling and training knowing that people buy birth control and that they would be expected to dispense it, anymore than I would listen to a Mormon complain about being involved in porn.

I agree!

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Does this same pharmacist refuse to sell condoms?

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And what about Viagra ? Wink

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