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Tue 24 May, 2005 04:15 pm
with seconds to go the current vote tally is
yes=381
no=52
will Bush actually veto and will the House over-ride?
Is Dobson batting zero for 2?
Has Frist kept up his License to practice medicine?
He'll veto, he has to give something back to Dobson after yesterday.
Actually they don't have enough to overide if Bush veto's.
Wonder what got into congress to do this about face out of the blue?
*sigh*
If vetoed, we must just remember that it will come up again.
Of course he will veto.
No spoiled child likes to not get his way.
How many times has Bush used his Veto? How many times did CLinton use the Veto?
Spoiled child I think not.
Quote:How many times has Bush used his Veto? How many times did CLinton use the Veto?
What one has to do with the other, Ill never know. Vetoing a bill that clearly is supported by most of the two parties and most of US tells me that GW is becoming a sort of US version of Taliban.
States with many companies incorped within will soon have their own stem cell legislation that will make M'ulla Georgie look stupid(er). Im sure Delaware is considering a research center funded by all those drug companies incorped in the little state.
farmerman wrote:Quote:How many times has Bush used his Veto? How many times did CLinton use the Veto?
What one has to do with the other, Ill never know. Vetoing a bill that clearly is supported by most of the two parties and most of US tells me that GW is becoming a sort of US version of Taliban.
States with many companies incorped within will soon have their own stem cell legislation that will make M'ulla Georgie look stupid(er). Im sure Delaware is considering a research center funded by all those drug companies incorped in the little state.
In order for a bill to pass it has to have majority vote right? Clinton vetoed how many times? That would mean that Clinton didn't agree with the majority of the Senate, which would also mean the majority of Americans.
He uses his first veto and he is a US Taliban? Get real and stop being paranoid.
Baldimo-Paranoid? you bet!. If Bush werent so damn dumb, Id really be afraid. I still dont get the point that comparing the number of vetoes from one pres to the next has anything to do with this entire point. Bushs own party is pretty much mostly for stem cell research, funded by govt money. The American public is supporting it ( with the exception of the anti-choice crowd). Even most Catholics are for it.
Lets accept the fact that sometimes we have to take calculated risks in research. Nothing is guaranteed and, if the research concludes successfully, we will probably find ways to (like the Koreans have done) keep tissue alive no matter what your preferred definition of life is.
GW has no right to occupy any moral highground cuz hes a scum sucking dirt bag who is using this to maintain a good ol boy populist , who prays every Sunday.
Hes too damn ignorant and too damn dumb to understand the issues that surround this research. EvenGOP Arlan Specter, who's now undergoing chemo for Hodgkins came out and called GW some unkind names.
Party position and politics of "newsbites" has nothing to do with whats the right thing to do. The research will find a way to, not only cure diseases, but to keepthe very embryos viable after harvesting the blastocysts. We already know how twinning occurs, as part of the research, they may find how to induce twinningand harvest the cells from the clone .
The anti-researchers in this matter are so damn uncreative and shortsighted in their own understanding. AND, on top of it, they wont let the research go on to even find out how to help restore health to otherwise terminal cases whose only crime was to have been born with a DNA defect, or worse, an inability for ones DNA to continue to repair itself by some "alarm clock" mechanism that triggers onsets of diseases like diabetes 2 and Alzheimers.
Bush, is the embodiment of the Taliban. Hes not adept at abstract thought and projection, so he makes these really dim decisions and then gloats about his stance.
I guess it was Dys who said once that
"If Clinton never existed, the GOP would have had to make him up". Clinton comparisons will carry this , otherwise poor to mediocre president for another 4 years. Screw the issue on its own merits, lets just dig up ole Bubba and make him the Pharisee.
I never could said that, it apears to be a complete sentence.
brrrrrr-ump-bdda-bump--tsshhhh
brrrrrr-ump-bdda-bump--tsshhhh
farmerman wrote:Baldimo-Paranoid? you bet!. If Bush werent so damn dumb, Id really be afraid. I still dont get the point that comparing the number of vetoes from one pres to the next has anything to do with this entire point. Bushs own party is pretty much mostly for stem cell research, funded by govt money. The American public is supporting it ( with the exception of the anti-choice crowd). Even most Catholics are for it.
Lets accept the fact that sometimes we have to take calculated risks in research. Nothing is guaranteed and, if the research concludes successfully, we will probably find ways to (like the Koreans have done) keep tissue alive no matter what your preferred definition of life is.
GW has no right to occupy any moral highground cuz hes a scum sucking dirt bag who is using this to maintain a good ol boy populist , who prays every Sunday.
Hes too damn ignorant and too damn dumb to understand the issues that surround this research. EvenGOP Arlan Specter, who's now undergoing chemo for Hodgkins came out and called GW some unkind names.
Party position and politics of "newsbites" has nothing to do with whats the right thing to do. The research will find a way to, not only cure diseases, but to keepthe very embryos viable after harvesting the blastocysts. We already know how twinning occurs, as part of the research, they may find how to induce twinningand harvest the cells from the clone .
The anti-researchers in this matter are so damn uncreative and shortsighted in their own understanding. AND, on top of it, they wont let the research go on to even find out how to help restore health to otherwise terminal cases whose only crime was to have been born with a DNA defect, or worse, an inability for ones DNA to continue to repair itself by some "alarm clock" mechanism that triggers onsets of diseases like diabetes 2 and Alzheimers.
Bush, is the embodiment of the Taliban. Hes not adept at abstract thought and projection, so he makes these really dim decisions and then gloats about his stance.
He isn't against the research he is against using embryos for the research. That isn't the same as banning the research. He has already said that many times. Let the private money fund the embryo research not taxpayer money.
Did anyone ever tell you that you are a really hateful person or is this just your "internet persona"?
I wonder if when abortion was first made legal people used the slippery slope argument that the babies would be used for medical experiment in the future because of the disregard for the little lives that they were.
Nope, thats pretty much me there slick.
No matter how you spread it, the Govt casts a long shadow over the entire fare. Why then is GW gonna veto if hes not against such research.
farmerman wrote:I guess it was Dys who said once that
"If Clinton never existed, the GOP would have had to make him up". Clinton comparisons will carry this , otherwise poor to mediocre president for another 4 years. Screw the issue on its own merits, lets just dig up ole Bubba and make him the Pharisee.
I'm not complaining about Clinton I'm looking at the comparison. I can't help it that you are not doing the same. Can you answer the question? How many times did Clinton use the veto? Does that make him a Taliban because he disagreed with the majority of the Senate and in turn the majority of the US?
It's relavent, so please try and answer the question.
38 and FDR used it like 190 and Grover Cleveland used it over 400, SFW? Lets tryt to focus on this issue and cut out the
"nyah nyah (insert something about Clinton here) Nyah Nyah".
The fact of the natter is somewhere out there the American public is realizing they got screwed. They hooked up with a bunch of people whose only focus seems to be to make more money for the bunch of people, but not the ones voting for them. And this weird attitude about things, winner takes all in everything, but that's not American politics, American politics has always been about getting a little something for everybody even the party on the outs.
This bunch in the Senate is starting to smell a little like a rubber stamp factory, even party people like a little thinking to go with the getting along to get along part. And here comes those same people hurling and whirling about stem cells when Nancy Reagan seemed to think that just maybe we should look at it a little more, those same people are the same people who way back when opposed blood transfusions, and internal medicine (Imagine being against surgery.....) and making vaccines was taboo too. Vaccines. God Almighty was pleaded with to call down His wrath upon such abominations, He did not answer His phone.
They want Terri Schiavo on continuous life support, but won't allow a dime of research into a therapy that might have saved her. Huh? And they drag the President off of his vacation and fly him eight hours up and back to sign some bogus bill, but when the Capitol is being evac-ed, they don't even drag him off his bicycle???
Joe(They are beginning to see what kind of wackjobs they elected)Nation
Joe, excellent and to the point.
Farmer(see Im not so hateful, its just these painful leech bites) Man
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