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Religious and political disunity has condemned Earth. Should we thank our religious leaders?

 
 
Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 08:15 am
Religious and political disunity has condemned Earth. Should we thank our religious leaders?

One needs not be a rocket scientist to recognize that it is our failure at the U.N. and other international bodies, who are working hard to unite the world politically and religiously; that is the core of our woes.

By “our” I mean the rank and file who are suffering and dying for our failing systems of political and religious governance.

We also pay heavily for our failed systems of religious and political governance. Billions upon billions of dollars wasted; especially the waste on pointless religions, in terms of law and morality.

If the world does not unify or allow the next few years to exacerbate and hasten the demise of Earth; this generation shows how vile it is as a species.

Individually, people are fantastic. As Jesus said, you got to love them all.

Without leadership, we are deadly. Earth needs a, --- Captain Jesus, --- and decent candidates are not being recognized. Strange, given that Jesus’ moral tenets mostly aren’t, and secular law has already made his love as law ideology fail.

I can remember 30 odd years ago looking at statistics and trying to project the future. I thought people would get worse over time. But the reverse has proven itself to be true. I thought the world would unify. But again I have been proven wrong due to our tolerance of religious and political con men.

Religious leaders in particular, as well as their slaved sheeple, --- that is you if you are religious, --- claim to have moral superiority granted to them by their, so called good gods. All you religious are the vast majority; so why are you screwing up our world?

The world has had enough of your religious arguments, when you bother making them; which is seldom.

Not surprising that, given your inability to do good apologetics for your vile gods, and your propensity to use inquisition and jihad methods to make the points you cannot do mentally, intellectually or rationally.

Your religious violence and lack of tolerance has wounded the world and you do not care enough for your fellow man and children to leave them a place cleaner and better than what you found.

We are presently spending many trillions world-wide on our various forms of governance.

Our religious governance is not serving us well in areas where it says it excels.

Religions are in fact harmful to society as a whole. I can say that while recognizing that it had many uses in the past and that without it we would not be as advanced as we are.

I think we should cut our losses and divert those gains to the environment. I think we can and should scrap religions and proceed to do the better thing and use politics as our only law. It has earned it.

Your thoughts?

Regards
DL
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:45 am
@Greatest I am,
Blame can be placed on any governmental agency or department or any international group. That serves nobody and aside from consumption of time (which may or may not exist), does nothing. At the end of the hour, each of us is responsible for our own personal level of spiritual growth or suffering.

People suffer even when it appears they have everything. Other people are able to have contentment, even though it would seem they have nothing. It's what each of us make of what we have.
Jewels Vern
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 04:52 pm
@Greatest I am,
You have not said anything worth pondering.
vikorr
 
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Reply Sun 16 Jun, 2019 04:58 pm
@Greatest I am,
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Religious and political disunity has condemned Earth
I couldn't read any further. This is one of the funniest things I have read in a long, long time. Like you can have a discussion on changing the mass of human nature itself, or even the 'wrongs' of human nature (which is really just a forerunner to 'what are we going to do about it?')
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jun, 2019 05:44 am
@Greatest I am,
A bunch of ultra-rich people owning big oil companies managed to misinform many many clueless folks into disbelieving global warming, stalling any action for 20 years, and now the US has elected one of them. So we're all fucked, essentially, our kids are all fucked, and our grand kids even more fucked.

There's no connection with religion that I can see. E.g. the catholic popes have been trying to ring the alarm since the 1970's, most lately in the encyclical letter "Laudato Si".
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:38 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Blame can be placed on any governmental agency or department or any international group. That serves nobody and aside from consumption of time (which may or may not exist), does nothing. At the end of the hour, each of us is responsible for our own personal level of spiritual growth or suffering.

People suffer even when it appears they have everything. Other people are able to have contentment, even though it would seem they have nothing. It's what each of us make of what we have.


Blame, I ascribe to religions more than to the governments that use them for their own purposes.

Both governing bodies are presently garbage thanks, I think, primarily to religions and our oligarch owners.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:39 pm
@Jewels Vern,
Jewels Vern wrote:

You have not said anything worth pondering.


Then you are a dim bulb.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:40 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

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Religious and political disunity has condemned Earth
I couldn't read any further. This is one of the funniest things I have read in a long, long time. Like you can have a discussion on changing the mass of human nature itself, or even the 'wrongs' of human nature (which is really just a forerunner to 'what are we going to do about it?')


Feel proud then of the world we are passing on to our next generation.

Regards
DL
Sturgis
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 03:50 pm
@Greatest I am,
In the immortal words of Neil Sedaka, You gotta make your own sunshine

Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 04:01 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

A bunch of ultra-rich people owning big oil companies managed to misinform many many clueless folks into disbelieving global warming, stalling any action for 20 years, and now the US has elected one of them. So we're all fucked, essentially, our kids are all fucked, and our grand kids even more fucked.

There's no connection with religion that I can see. E.g. the catholic popes have been trying to ring the alarm since the 1970's, most lately in the encyclical letter "Laudato Si".



The mainstream religions are a part of the ultra rich bunch, and supposedly represent the vast majority of humanity. They should start denouncing the other ultra rich oligarchs who own us all yet they do not.

If you wish to see just how screwed up the U. S. government and it's policies are, as it basically put in place systems designed to kill of the population, have a look at the documentary --- What the health.

Let me know just how pissed you are after that.

I know that killing off the population was done quite a bit in the middle ages but did not think we had systematic policies that go the same today.

Regards
DL
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jun, 2019 05:10 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

In the immortal words of Neil Sedaka, You gotta make your own sunshine



Seems like rather a self-centered position.

If you think you should live by the Golden Rule, change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:34 am
@Greatest I am,
Nothing self centered about it. Merely responding to your initial blaming of political leaders and religion for being the source and cause of all our woes. My response is we as individuals can choose to be happy or opt for utter despair.

For the record, since you mention them...

I'm gay, have Jewish heritage and am one part minority.
vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 01:13 am
@Greatest I am,
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Feel proud then of the world we are passing on to our next generation.

Regards
DL
There will never be universal peace. It is not in the nature of mankind for there to be such. It has never happened in mans long history, and it never will. There are very obvious fundamental reasons why this is the case. Pretending that we can change such may make you feel good...but doesn't change reality.

I prefer to talk about things we can actually change.

If pride is the end goal (and I am not suggesting it is, but mention this only because you brought it up), then we can take pride in those things that are within our power to achieve, that we achieved.

Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 04:52 am
@Greatest I am,
Which religions are you talking about?
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jun, 2019 02:45 pm
@Olivier5,
Many to choose from. Man has been inventing gods since they first evolved thinking minds. Choose one.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 12:28 am
@RABEL222,
It makes no rational sense to attribute climate change or climate change denial to religion. It's mean, dirt stupid, unfair and misdirected.

If atheists are just as irrational and intellectually dishonest as believers, what the heck is the point of atheism?
Greatest I am
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 11:11 am
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Nothing self centered about it. Merely responding to your initial blaming of political leaders and religion for being the source and cause of all our woes. My response is we as individuals can choose to be happy or opt for utter despair.



So you think you can be happy in your gayness, while gays are being oppressed by religions.

Have a look at that quote I gave you for the first time.

Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 11:16 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Quote:
Feel proud then of the world we are passing on to our next generation.

Regards
DL
There will never be universal peace. It is not in the nature of mankind for there to be such. It has never happened in mans long history, and it never will. There are very obvious fundamental reasons why this is the case. Pretending that we can change such may make you feel good...but doesn't change reality.

I prefer to talk about things we can actually change.

If pride is the end goal (and I am not suggesting it is, but mention this only because you brought it up), then we can take pride in those things that are within our power to achieve, that we achieved.


Then take pride in the 20,000 years of recorded peace that humankind enjoyed under goddess worship but not in the last 5,000 years of war that the vile male gods have gifted us with.

Skip to the last few minutes and hear that from a scholar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU1bEmq_pf0

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 11:17 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Which religions are you talking about?


All the supernaturally based ones where the adherents are literal readers of their myths. That includes Christianity and Islam.

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jun, 2019 11:20 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

It makes no rational sense to attribute climate change or climate change denial to religion. It's mean, dirt stupid, unfair and misdirected.



The religious are and have been the vast majority forever.

Are you blaming the minority of non-believers for climate change more than the majority?

Regards
DL
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