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Koreans Report Ease in Cloning for Stem Cells

 
 
Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 08:14 am
Is this a clear and present danger or a crucial medical advance?


By Gina Kolata
Published: May 20, 2005 New York Times

South Korean researchers are reporting today that they have developed a highly efficient recipe for producing human embryos through cloning, and then extracting their stem cells.

Writing in the journal Science, the researchers, led by Dr. Woo Suk Hwang and Dr. Shin Yong Moon of Seoul National University, said they used their method to produce 11 human stem cell lines that were genetic matches of patients who ranged in age from 2 to 56.
The method, called therapeutic cloning, is one of the great hopes of the stem cell field. It produces stem cells, universal cells that are extracted from embryos, killing the embryos in the process, and that, in theory, can be directed to grow into any of the body's cell types. …….

The new finding buoyed researchers who had wanted to use such stem cells to study diseases but had thought it would be years, if ever, before it would be practical to obtain them. "It is a tremendous advance," said Dr. Leonard Zon, a stem cell researcher at Harvard Medical School and the president of the International Society for Stem Cell Research, who was not involved in the research……..

"You almost have no reason not to do it," said Dr. Davor Solter, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Immunobiology in Freiburg, Germany. He added that it seemed more efficient to clone and obtain human stem cells than to do the same experiment in animals, although no one knows why......

Dr. Ruth Faden, the executive director of the bioethics center at Johns Hopkins, said the moral debate would change if the research led to new treatments with dramatic benefits for some patients. "That could really shake it up," she said.
But Dr. Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's ethics and religious liberty commission, said his group would not be assuaged.
"We believe a cloned embryo is a human being," Dr. Land said. "We should not be the kind of society that kills our tiniest human beings in order to seek a treatment for older and bigger human beings."



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/20/science/20clone.html
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 10:09 am
Meanwhile, the entire world will be able to treat serious diseases before the US gets done deciding on the morality of saving life.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:09 am
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Acquiunk wrote:
"We believe a cloned embryo is a human being," Dr. Land said. "We should not be the kind of society that kills our tiniest human beings in order to seek a treatment for older and bigger human beings."



Farmerman, we are becoming a "Culture of Life",...of a sort. Get with the program.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:24 am
acquiunk. Theres a thing down in Dutchland called "Amish Friendship bread". One begins a "starter batch" of this stuff and, whenever we wanna make some bread (its a sweet breakfast kind of loaf), we just tear off some of the starter and then move on.
The starter stuff is the "main embryo" and the material we remove becomes a clone. We dont have to kill the original embryo, just bake the clone.
Am I, in my chronic obtuseness, missing some moral loophole here? I think that this is a perfect way for those that are so conflicted to have it both ways>

I just feel sorry for the guy who's the research team leader. With a name like that , he wouldnt last in the US
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2005 11:57 am
farmerman wrote:

Am I, in my chronic obtuseness, missing some moral loophole here?


Love that sweet bread, but my pant size does not.

The obtuseness resides in a group of people who are so traumatized by cultural change (I'm on my soap box here) that they have raised their anxiety to the level of a hysteria. Basically people such as Land fear their own social/cultural marginality and by extention their life. Their response is to identify any entity that could conceivably be human and marginal and demand it's protection at the expense of anyone else, women, those afflicted with disease or injury, etc. In many respects they are the conservative doppelganger of PETA, a group which in IMHO is responding to the same hysteria.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 05:46 am
Lets stock up on wagon wheels and horse drawn plows.
NOW ENTERING THE UNITED STATES, PLEASE TURN YOUR CLOCKS BACK 100 YEARS
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 05:48 am
At least for the remainder of this administration. I hate it when the moral "high ground" leaves no room for other definitions, and they will take no prisoners nor spare any lives to make their point.

When foreign colleagues wonder what the hell is happening in the US, I always tell them that the fragile beauty of our form of government is that, everyonce and a while, we let the fools and inmates steer the ship of state. Hoping of course, that they dont pile us on the rocks. Its gonna be close with this bunch.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 07:37 am
farmerman wrote:
, everyonce and a while, we let the fools and inmates steer the ship of state. Hoping of course, that they dont pile us on the rocks. Its gonna be close with this bunch.


It is also going to be a long time. The closet analogy I can think of is the Jackson administration of the 1830's. That was also a period of rapid social change where the Yahoo's seized control of the government. The damage done then was with this country for at least 100 years.
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