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Proof Bush Fixed the Facts...

 
 
not2know
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 03:37 pm
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
tommrr wrote:
Not2Know,
1 big problem (among the many problems) with your theory. The abscense of the earpiece. I deal with them on a daily basis, and there are NONE available that are not somewhat visible. And, I won't even go into the whole that is not the size or the shape of a receiver under the jacket.


Laughing

when this came up after the debates, i wound up concluding that maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

it's a smidge smaller (or is that just perception?) than the garden variety letronics, but i did come across a really slim shure that i'd never seen before.
not so much in this picture, but in another similar one, there did look to be the possibility of the corkscrew on the ifb earpiece right behind the ear. ?? the guy hunches over so much, it wouldn't be all that noticable to joe public...

but one thing that makes me think that, at least the technology is present that could make a much smaller transceiver and fully wireless earpiece is the huge amount of geek toys that are available to government that isn't in the public domain. of course i can't proove that they exist, but considering what we use everyday, it would be silly to think that they don't.


You maybe right Laughing James Bond-style technologies are closer to reality
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 03:40 pm
And to step away from the tech end of it. If he were being fed answers, why weren't he being fed BETTER answers? If you are going to go to that much trouble, at least make it worthwhile.
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not2know
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2005 03:48 pm
tommrr wrote:
And to step away from the tech end of it. If he were being fed answers, why weren't he being fed BETTER answers? If you are going to go to that much trouble, at least make it worthwhile.


Laughing You got me there, maybe there trying to confuse the hell out of conspiracy nuts!
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:48 am
tommrr wrote:
I am aware of the small, slim easy to conceal models, as in the past I have had the duties/pleasure of putting them in some interesting places.


hah! working for the usual suspects, are we? Laughing

i'm more of a post kinda guy. but i did do cam and sound packages for a couple of years. some of the aquisition toys are pretty neat.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:50 am
Covert security cams are quite interesting these days, my old company did those quite often . . . amazing how easily one can set up a very sophisticated camera with a dig-image chip, and not arouse the least suspicion . . .
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:56 am
tommrr wrote:
And to step away from the tech end of it. If he were being fed answers, why weren't he being fed BETTER answers? If you are going to go to that much trouble, at least make it worthwhile.


give the people what they want. first rule of show biz.

always leave 'em wanting more. the second rule.

it's not about giving good answers, it's about giving them answers they want to hear. without actually giving any real information or saying anything that you can be held accountable for.

that way, the same people come back tot the next speech for the rest of the answer. which, of course, never seems to materialize.

but, "god bless you and god bless the united states of america" ? get's 'em everytime.
:wink:
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:58 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
tommrr wrote:
I am aware of the small, slim easy to conceal models, as in the past I have had the duties/pleasure of putting them in some interesting places.


hah! working for the usual suspects, are we? Laughing

i'm more of a post kinda guy. but i did do cam and sound packages for a couple of years. some of the aquisition toys are pretty neat.

Actually a lighting guy by trade, but have eagerly volunteered for mic placement duties for obvious reasons.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 02:00 am
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
tommrr wrote:
And to step away from the tech end of it. If he were being fed answers, why weren't he being fed BETTER answers? If you are going to go to that much trouble, at least make it worthwhile.


give the people what they want. first rule of show biz.

always leave 'em wanting more. the second rule.

it's not about giving good answers, it's about giving them answers they want to hear. without actually giving any real information or saying anything that you can be held accountable for.

that way, the same people come back tot the next speech for the rest of the answer. which, of course, never seems to materialize.

but, "god bless you and god bless the united states of america" ? get's 'em everytime.
:wink:

First rule: Get paid before the show, then go on to the other 2 rules.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 03:00 am
tommrr wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
tommrr wrote:
And to step away from the tech end of it. If he were being fed answers, why weren't he being fed BETTER answers? If you are going to go to that much trouble, at least make it worthwhile.


give the people what they want. first rule of show biz.

always leave 'em wanting more. the second rule.

it's not about giving good answers, it's about giving them answers they want to hear. without actually giving any real information or saying anything that you can be held accountable for.

that way, the same people come back tot the next speech for the rest of the answer. which, of course, never seems to materialize.

but, "god bless you and god bless the united states of america" ? get's 'em everytime.
:wink:

First rule: Get paid before the show, then go on to the other 2 rules.


oh. yeah... my "move to hollywood, eat top ramen, become rock star" past always obscured that part. pay to play anyone ? grrrr... Laughing
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 03:03 am
tommrr wrote:
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
tommrr wrote:
I am aware of the small, slim easy to conceal models, as in the past I have had the duties/pleasure of putting them in some interesting places.


hah! working for the usual suspects, are we? Laughing

i'm more of a post kinda guy. but i did do cam and sound packages for a couple of years. some of the aquisition toys are pretty neat.

Actually a lighting guy by trade, but have eagerly volunteered for mic placement duties for obvious reasons.


see? it pays to be flexible in your job description.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 04:18 am
DontTreadOnMe
Quote:
oh. yeah... my "move to hollywood, eat top ramen, become rock star" past always obscured that part. pay to play anyone ? grrrr...

And that is why I have always been on the crew side of the fence. :wink:
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 04:21 am
Setanta wrote:
Covert security cams are quite interesting these days, my old company did those quite often . . . amazing how easily one can set up a very sophisticated camera with a dig-image chip, and not arouse the least suspicion . . .

And that is what makes all the Big Brother talk all the more scary. If most people knew just what technology was available to the govt and military, they would have a stroke.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:09 am
If they knew how commonly they are within the look down zone of PIR's which activate cameras, how often they are on a monitor in a security control center somewhere, they would fill their pants as the stroke occurred.

One of our customers (we did industrial security) was a hospital which operated more than 300 cameras.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:27 am
Setanta wrote:
If they knew how commonly they are within the look down zone of PIR's which activate cameras, how often they are on a monitor in a security control center somewhere, they would fill their pants as the stroke occurred.

One of our customers (we did industrial security) was a hospital which operated more than 300 cameras.

Have you ever had the chance to see a video control room or security center at a Las Vegas casino? It's amazing and frightening at the same time.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:29 am
We "moved" the security control center of said hospital to a newer, larger location. The bill, simply for moving the equipment and setting up a new matrix for cameras, PIR's, door locks, card readers, etc., was $175,000 . . . American. It sure is a hell of a lucrative industry.
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tommrr
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 07:54 am
Amazing isn't it. And no matter how new the system is, it doesn't take long before it is no longer the state of the art stuff.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 08:51 am
We were selling divars (digital video recorders for the uninitiate--"dvd recorders") at 160 megs, for a tidy sum, and within six months the customers were clamoring for 320 megs. That was less than two years ago--now gigabyte divars are common, and terabyte divars are not far off. It really makes good sense, though. Even at several thousand dollars each, they make much more economic sense than stacks of VCR tapes. The greatest advanage, though, is that the images can be viewed remotely, and displayed on a monitor anywhere.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:24 pm
Here's the latest from the Sunday Times....apparently, some Democrats from the US are coming over to ask Blair some questions.

Hope they're more effective than good ol' Norm Coleman.

I would suggest that they bring those special gloves.....you know, the one's they use for picking up eels.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622378,00.html

This article also raises the subject of the quality of your Media reporting, over in the USA..........Here is a snippet:-

Congressman John Conyers......"I deplore the fact that our media have been so reticent on the question of whether there was a secret planning of a war for which neither the Congress nor the American people had given permission," Conyers said.

"We have The Sunday Times to thank for this very important activity. It reminds me of Watergate, which started off as a tiny little incident reported in The Washington Post. I think that the interest of many citizens is picking up."
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not2know
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2005 01:35 pm
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Here's the latest from the Sunday Times....apparently, some Democrats from the US are coming over to ask Blair some questions.

Hope they're more effective than good ol' Norm Coleman.

I would suggest that they bring those special gloves.....you know, the one's they use for picking up eels.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1622378,00.html

This article also raises the subject of the quality of your Media reporting, over in the USA..........Here is a snippet:-

Congressman John Conyers......"I deplore the fact that our media have been so reticent on the question of whether there was a secret planning of a war for which neither the Congress nor the American people had given permission," Conyers said.

"We have The Sunday Times to thank for this very important activity. It reminds me of Watergate, which started off as a tiny little incident reported in The Washington Post. I think that the interest of many citizens is picking up."


very interesting Smile thanx
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2005 06:36 am
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