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OMG! CONDI (and BUSH & Now SCOTT) Still Thinks IRAQ = 9/11

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:32 pm
For this heinous crime, pages of the Koran, floating in the crapper?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:36 pm
An invoice loaded with Korans--with one-way tickets...?
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dora17
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:37 pm
Lash wrote:
For this heinous crime, pages of the Koran, floating in the crapper?


I've heard others mocking the "crime" but I bet there'd be some pretty pissed off Americans if it was the Bible being defaced, no?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:38 pm
FBI Memos

More of the same

From Fox News:
Quote:
Justice Department officials told FOX News on Friday that the FBI knew of an allegation that interrogators had desecrated the sacred text. DOJ officials said the department shared a report with the Defense Department that on Aug. 1, 2002, a Guantanamo prisoner told an FBI agent that an interrogator there flushed the Koran down the toilet. The FBI did not confirm the allegation on its own.
And they weasel around that.......
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:38 pm
Likely--but they wouldn't kill anybody over it.

They likely wouldn't be moved to roam through the streets, banging themselves in the head, either.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:40 pm
old europe wrote:
But I see you want to avoid answering the central question: Whom would you accept as an impartial witness, and how could something be actually witnessed?


Lash wrote:
For this heinous crime, pages of the Koran, floating in the crapper?


No. In general. There are quite a lot of threads about whether or not desecrating the Koran is a crime.

Whom would you accept as an impartial witness, and how could something be actually witnessed?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:40 pm
Maybe, but no one would care.
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dora17
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:41 pm
Lash wrote:
Likely--but they wouldn't kill anybody over it.

They likely wouldn't be moved to roam through the streets, banging themselves in the head, either.


Well, that's true, about the killing, good point. I'd like to see the banging themselves in the head part, though Smile
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:43 pm
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/311282p-266320c.html

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WASHINGTON - It wasn't tossed in a toilet, but disrespecting an inmate's Koran got at least one American soldier reprimanded at the Guantanamo prison for terrorists, the Daily News has learned.
A record of the 2003 punishment was discovered by Army Brig. Gen. John Furlow while probing Gitmo misconduct alleged in FBI memos. But it wasn't included in the final report given to the U.S. Southern Command, according to a military official familiar with the investigation.

The omission in the final report written by Lt. Gen. Randall Schmidt, who took over from Furlow, was because officers concluded the incident was isolated and new rules prevented further abuses, the official said.

Under White House pressure, Newsweek on Monday retracted a story that Schmidt determined a Koran was flushed in a Gitmo toilet, which the Pentagon slammed as "demonstrably false."

But two reliable military sources confirmed the previously undisclosed reprimand at the Camp Delta prison - contradicting Bush administration denials of any "credible and specific allegations" about Koran desecration at Gitmo.

"That's true," an ex-Army interrogator at Gitmo said. "I am aware of somebody having their hand slapped."

The source said a soldier on another interrogation team was punished for "trying to be insulting" of a detainee's Koran.

It wasn't clear what the soldier did to warrant the reprimand.

Despite the Pentagon denials that any Korans were abused, Southern Command (SouthCom) launched a "commander's inquiry" on May 11 to examine camp logs, where soldiers may have recorded mishandling of Korans.

When asked for comment, Pentagon spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico said: "I would caution you against writing a story based on anonymous sources when the responsible thing to do would be to wait until the ongoing commander's inquiry and SouthCom investigation are completed and released."

The report is expected to be issued within weeks.

The International Committee of the Red Cross said yesterday that Koran desecration at Gitmo was reported to the U.S. three years ago.

A Pentagon spokesman pointed out that a Jan. 19, 2003, Gitmo memo forbids any U.S. personnel from touching detainees' Korans. But the ex-interrogator, who was at Gitmo in 2003, said, "I never saw any [order] that you can't touch it."

Originally published on May 20, 2005
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:45 pm
So this is the question:

Would "FBI memos, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, in which agents described witnessing or learning of serious mistreatment of detainees" be good enough?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:48 pm
We're off the "Koran abuse" now?

I'd take such as you described above seriously.
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old europe
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2005 07:53 pm
But didn't you say

Lash wrote:
Disrespect of the Koran...

Someone should have told them how we feel about disrespect of human life.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 11:06 am
<tapping fingers...wondering if McG is ever going to respond to my request for further explanation of his point>
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 01:35 pm
Aah, just as I thought...nothin'.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 01:39 pm
The thread's been locked twice now Kicky. I'm done with it.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 01:56 pm
That is why I was asking for a serious explanation. I guess there isn't one.

So be it.
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 04:38 pm
OE--

If they'd not fought alongside the murderer of innocent Americans, they wouldn't have to worry about Satanic Americans touching their fruity book....or doing anything else to them.

They disrespected human life. We responded.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 04:42 pm
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, and due process of law? If they were all guilty by definition, why have some been released?
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Lash
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 04:51 pm
Are our guards innocent until proven guilty?

They seem to be on the way to the gallows with this bunch.

Setanta-- Depending on how they were taken in to custody. Weren't most of the detainees taken from the fighting fields of Afghanistan? I am under that impression.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 May, 2005 04:58 pm
The problem with that, Lash, is that a good deal of the fighting was urban, and, after the initial invasion, the "ex-urban" fighting was in tribal lands.

The following statement is in no way intended to cast aspersion on anyone's intellect:

The history of Afghanistan, back at least to the time of Alexander III of Macedon, almost 2300 years ago, has entailed almost constant warfare with every invader (Alexander is the only one they've ever respected--they still remember "Sikander"), and no one has ever been able to tell the players without a score card. I rather suspect the releases have entailed people swept up with the bad guys.

Bad guys or not, we do a disservice to our own principles if we do not accord to them the rights we accord to the lowliest child rapist in our own country. If we become like them, AQ has won.
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