Bush's virtues

Nice work Intrepid

Rayban:

A person can't declare war on a nation; AQ's declaration of war is immaterial.

Cycloptichorn

BVT wrote:

I'd just like to know, really, why if you're kissing his ass you're engaging in dialogue but if someone is saying he sucks they're sniping from the sidelines. I'm wondering how you get to that. Doesn't seem logical, certainly not fair and balanced. Laughing.



Let me ask you a question about logic: If liberals are idealists and conservatives are pragmatists which one is most likely to use logic?

Just so you don't get a mental hernia trying to figure it out.........I'll give you the answer. Conservatives of course

As usual, we have the uninformed/ignorant perspective. Let's have some fun!!!

* Attacked and took over two countries.

* Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
LAST I CHECKED, US TREASURY STILL OPERATING AND COURTS NOT NOTIFIED OF BANKRUPTCY PROCEEDINGS

* Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
THIS IS NOT BASBALL WHERE WE TRACK RECORDS. DEFICIT SPENDING NOT A NEW CONCEPT

* Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
NOT ONE OF GW'S COMPANIES HAS FILED FOR BANKRUPCY. HE DID HOWEVER APPROVE LEGISLATION THAT WILL REDUCE BANKRUPCIES

* Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
THIS IS INCORRECT BASED ON PERCNETAGE

* First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
THAT IS A GOOD THING

* First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
A LIE

*Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
A LIE

* Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
THAT IS THE LENDERS FAULT FOR MAKING BAD DECISIONS

* Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
A LIE.

* Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
IRRELEVANT

* Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.
A LIE. THE CONSTITUTION CAN NOT BE AMENDED BY A PRESIDENT

* Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
WHAT CRISIS??

* Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
A SMART MOVE

* Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
A LIE

Parados wrote:

<North Korea acquired ZERO nukes from 1992-2002. There was a suspicion they may have tried to go around the treaty signed in 1994 by processing uranium but no evidence to back it up. N Korea only started up its plutonium nuclear program in 2003 after 2 years of Bush fumbling the diplomatic ball. The treaty signed in 1994 was to prevent N Korea from processing plutonium. It did what it was supposed to do until Bush backed out of it. In Jan-March of 2003, North Korea processed enough plutonium for 6 nukes.>

All of what you said and what I said is actually irrelevant because we don't know for certain what they have or have not done. My question to you is: What should Bush have done? There is no military option as I have said and the fact remains that you cannot make a deal with a liar. They will never allow full access by any verification team so why make the attempt.
Of course you can publicize that you have made a deal as Albright and Clinton did.........all that accomplished was to create a false sense of security.......much better to be honest.

On the other hand we can do something about Iran before they actually complete a bomb but time is growing short according to all reports.

Parados wrote:
Bush inherited Bin Laden and did nothing. In spite of all the whining about how Clinton did "nothing" about Bin Laden for 8 years which is nothing but smoke and mirrors since Bin Laden was NOT a problem for 8 years, we are left to look at the fact that Bush still has not found Bin Laden nor did he do one thing prior to 9/11.

Bin Laden was not a problem for 8 years.......oh really. He declared war on us in 1996 with his religious manifesto and some of Clinton's people sounded the alarm but Clinton would not listen. I admit that the warnings did not get through to Bush either but Bush had the economy, formulation of overall policy and getting his management team to function properly, to worry about.......this is an excuse but a valid one. Then 9/11 hit.

Very well said. However, if I may extend on this point of yours...

"In North Korea we have the result of a naive, failed attempt on the part of the previous admin to prevent NK from acquiring a Nuke. This must play itself out diplomatically because there is no military option there without risking the deaths of millions in Seoul SK. "

To say the Clinton Admin was naive is being nice. Madam Albright recommended and Bubba agreed to GIVE the nuke technology to NK. Some naysayers will argue that NK lied to Madam Albright. Yet, one must be stupid or incompetant to believe the NK Govt.

I will add that GW is the first US president to actively look at SS reform. Every former Prez gave lip service to thsi problem, but GW is trying to get something done and he should be commended for it.

When the United States was attacked by Islamo-fascists in 2001, President Bush promised to punish the perpetrators. He kept his promise.

George W. Bush promised to lower our taxes. He did.

When the United States was attacked by Islamo-fascists in 2001, President Bush promised to punish the perpetrators. He kept his promise. Today, Afghanistan, well on its way to becoming a democracy with equal rights for all, including women, is no longer a haven for terrorists. Saddam Hussein, a promoter of terrorism and a mass murderer, is no longer in power. For the first time in their history, the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are on their way to establishing a true democracy.

President Bush promised to improve public education. He kept that promise as well. We now have legislation called "No Child Left Behind." For the first time, schools and teachers are being held accountable nationwide.

AQ, al Qaeda I presume, is as strong as ever?

Why, that is beyond ludacris! That makes me want to just point and laugh.

What was the last act of terrorism Osama committed? 9-11. What country is supporting Osama and his small band of trouble makers? None.

You are vastly over rating that poor gang of terrorists.

Suspected al-Qaeda Terrorist Acts
1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); six killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in East Africa; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing one.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): Four bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): Ten terrorists bombs exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed nine.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists enter the U.S. Consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, killing nine (including 4 attackers).

McGentrix wrote:

AQ, al Qaeda I presume, is as strong as ever?

Why, that is beyond ludacris! That makes me want to just point and laugh.

What was the last act of terrorism Osama committed? 9-11. What country is supporting Osama and his small band of trouble makers? None.

You are vastly over rating that poor gang of terrorists.

Interesting take on it McG.. this is from infoplease and only through Dec of last year.source

Quote:

Suspected al-Qaeda Terrorist Acts
1993 (Feb.): Bombing of World Trade Center (WTC); six killed.
1993 (Oct.): Killing of U.S. soldiers in Somalia.
1996 (June): Truck bombing at Khobar Towers barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killed 19 Americans.
1998 (Aug.): Bombing of U.S. embassies in East Africa; 224 killed, including 12 Americans.
1999 (Dec.): Plot to bomb millennium celebrations in Seattle foiled when customs agents arrest an Algerian smuggling explosives into the U.S.
2000 (Oct.): Bombing of the USS Cole in port in Yemen; 17 U.S. sailors killed.
2001 (Sept.): Destruction of WTC; attack on Pentagon. Total dead 2,992.
2001 (Dec.): Man tried to denote shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
2002 (April): Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia left 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.
2002 (May): Car exploded outside hotel in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 14, including 11 French citizens.
2002 (June): Bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.
2002 (Oct.): Boat crashed into oil tanker off Yemen coast, killing one.
2002 (Oct.): Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, killed 202, mostly Australian citizens.
2002 (Nov.): Suicide attack on a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya, killed 16.
2003 (May): Suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2003 (May): Four bombs killed 33 people targeting Jewish, Spanish, and Belgian sites in Casablanca, Morocco.
2003 (Aug.): Suicide car-bomb killed 12, injured 150 at Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, Indonesia.
2003 (Nov.): Explosions rocked a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia housing compound, killing 17.
2003 (Nov.): Suicide car-bombers simultaneously attacked two synagogues in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 25 and injuring hundreds.
2003 (Nov.): Truck bombs detonated at London bank and British consulate in Istanbul, Turkey, killing 26.
2004 (March): Ten terrorists bombs exploded almost simultaneously during the morning rush hour in Madrid, Spain, killing 202 and injuring more than 1,400.
2004 (May): Terrorists attacked Saudi oil company offices in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, killing 22.
2004 (June): Terrorists kidnapped and executed American Paul Johnson, Jr., in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
2004 (Sept.): Car bomb outside the Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, killed nine.
2004 (Dec.): Terrorists enter the U.S. Consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, killing nine (including 4 attackers).

Yes, terrorism is a horrible thing. Why do you suppose the US has declared war on it?

No, more to your point, which of those has osama been directly accountable for?

Gee, Intrepid all the shouting is bad for your blood pressure........you must have been one of the people who lost their jobs during Clinton's recession.!!!