Anti anti-Americanism

Our moderator McGentrix imported this editorial from the American Enterprise.

Does McGentrix know the difference between an editorial and a news story? Does he know the difference between an editorial and a report?

He wrote that he posted this article because Salon.com won't. Why should Salon.com post an article that reflects the thinking of the American Enterprise? Why does he fail to understand that there is such a thing as freedom of speech? Why does he fail to realize that every issue has multiple responses?

Rayban answered that people who post on this thread are young. I am 60 years old. I am younger and healthier than my father was at 60 but I am not young. Rayban also claimed the posters will criticize the sentence structure of the writers. I am not young. Writing was never one of my chief skills. I try to stick to simple sentences because I believe in making myself understood. I do not think McGentrix shares that belief. Nor do I think that Victor David Hanson, the author of McGentrix's cited editorial, believes in clarity. His writing is awful. The sentence that rayban chose to reproduce from Hanson's article is the one that made me wince. It is an awful sentence from a bad writer.

So far, I think parados is a good writer. He (?) has a nice sarcastic bite to his writing.

I asked McGentrix to tell us about his travels to other nations. Have you been to Germany? to France? to England? Did you speak to the people?
What makes you an expert on how people from other countries feel about the United States?

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I wanted to respond to Hanson who feels that it is a good thing that other countries adopt American culture. Why? We spend millions of dollars creating an artificial culture. We push out original and genuine forms of personal selfexpression both in the United States and abroad. American culture is a mechanism.

The article posted by candidone is better written than the Hanson article. That does not mean that the writer is free from false assumptions. The Romans did not have to prove they were popular. They just pushed ahead. But, they, like most politicians, lied about how effective they were. Caesar's Commentaries were largely selfpromotion.

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McGentrix wrote:

Is it Blatham that always posts the Salon articles?

Let me answer that for you: Yes, it is Blatham who always posts Salon.com articles.

Setanta wrote:

I resent that statement--i make out-right attacks, i don't veil them, thinly or otherwise.

Yes, you very often do ... but I've also witnessed the thinly veiled attacks as well. Probably a moment of weakness you don't wish to admit to.

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I just reread a line or two from Hanson. He thinks Americans have always been different people? Different? It seems to be there are Polish-Americans and Italian-Americans and African-Americans and German-Americans. Americans always seem to be a little bit American and a little bit someone from Asia, Europe or Africa. How is that different?

Do you care to explain, McG?

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Another 'Gem' from Victor David Hanson.

Man, this guy is an idiot.

Quote:

An entire industry has arisen to account for the recent anti-Americanism. In the case of the Europeans, the end of the Cold War lessened the need for subsidized American protection, emboldening them to caricature Americans as fat and materialistic.

Really? Which industry is that, exactly?

The rest of the points in the article are equally retarded. The idea that we keep troops around in Europe to subsidize their defense is laughable and shows a real misunderstanding of why they are there. The idea that Bush has helped end anti-Americanism is flat-out wrong.

I just don't see how you can post this dreck and give me a hard time about posting stuff, McG. This guy is a moron.

Cycloptichorn

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A friend sent this link to me http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/GAO4AaO1.htm/

This is from "Spengler," who ever he is. I think he may be several different writers who use the same name. I do not necessarily agree with everything he says. What he offers here is an analysis. He also gives us a great deal of ego, but we will ignore that.

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The means of battling anti-Americanism should take the route of a more diplomatic form of diplomacy and a foreign policy that crosses paths more frequently with Bush's Christian fundamentalism; with a greater emphasis on the Golden Rule.
From my perspective, Bush's cure for anti-American sentiments is to force feed ethnocentric American ideals to those who don't like America to begin with. It's that very mandate that foreign observers and "victims" of this policy find repugnant on so many levels.
I wonder how Bush, and his supporters would feel if the Arab world decided a radical form of Islamic fundamentalism was right for the US and decided to impose it by force, or should communism gain momentum and become an unstoppable imposition on American culture....

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Maybe anti-Americanism is not a result of post-Cold War "superpower envy" as some authors and journalists have suggested, and is either a learned response, or simply knee-jerk reaction to all the flag waving self-congratulatory citizens who themselves have a superiority complex, not because of any objective or perceived superiority, rather, by default vis a vis their citizenship in a nation that encourages and promotes such blind arrogance disguised as vigorous patriotism

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candidone1 wrote:

Maybe anti-Americanism is not a result of post-Cold War "superpower envy" as some authors and journalists have suggested, and is either a learned response, or simply knee-jerk reaction to all the flag waving self-congratulatory citizens who themselves have a superiority complex, not because of any objective or perceived superiority, rather, by default vis a vis their citizenship in a nation that encourages and promotes such blind arrogance disguised as vigorous patriotism

Give us your perspective .... do you think the US has a "superiority complex" of which you are envious? You don't like patriotism, and you hate those that do? Please tell us: What is the cause of your anti-Americanism?

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Let me see if i can sum up for Atkins...

I lived in Germany for nine years. I have been to every country in Europe with the exception of Portugal. I make regular trips to England on business and I have a few German friends I stay in contact with.

I stated that one of the reasons I posted this article is because for some posters, this is the only place they are exposed to the "other side" of the political spectrum. Salon does not post this side of the story so that means I have to or else some people would never read this opinion.

I do not fail to understand freedom of speech. It is used regularly here on A2K.

Are Germans different people Atkins? I bet if you asked the Chinese they would say they are. The Vietnamese are very different than the Swedes. The Sudanese are very different than Phillipino's. Do you understand this Atkins?

Americans are different. They are Americans.

Are these sentences simple enough for you?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Another 'Gem' from Victor David Hanson.

Man, this guy is an idiot.

Quote:
An entire industry has arisen to account for the recent anti-Americanism. In the case of the Europeans, the end of the Cold War lessened the need for subsidized American protection, emboldening them to caricature Americans as fat and materialistic.

Really? Which industry is that, exactly?

The rest of the points in the article are equally retarded. The idea that we keep troops around in Europe to subsidize their defense is laughable and shows a real misunderstanding of why they are there. The idea that Bush has helped end anti-Americanism is flat-out wrong.

I just don't see how you can post this dreck and give me a hard time about posting stuff, McG. This guy is a moron.

Cycloptichorn

The end of the cold war greatly decreased the need for the US to protect the ungrateful Europeans and left them free to spit in our face.

We should have pulled our troops out immediately IMO instead of waiting until we are stretched thin because of Iraq. In case you aren't aware of it we are in the process of removing the hated American troops from everywhere except the ME. Listen to them whine when the Dollars disappear from the local economies.

I find that anyone who is so quick to tag an author as a moron is very likely to be wearing that tag around his own neck........does if fit perfectly big eye?

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McGentrix wrote:

I stated that one of the reasons I posted this article is because for some posters, this is the only place they are exposed to the "other side" of the political spectrum.

Mc Gentrix, and you said you posted the article because it is your opinion. So if I take another look at the article,

Quote:

... we were always different peoples--Americans the freer, richer, more religious, fertile, and optimistic?

then the author obviously implies that Europeans are the opposite: less free, poorer, less religious, sterile, pessimistic. The author then goes on and points out that this might be a reason for European anti-Americanism, and that Middle Eastern anti-Americanism was merely caused by European indoctrination.

Do you really think this is true? Do you think there would be no anti-Americanism in the ME if the Europeans were "freer, richer, more religious, fertile, and optimistic", too?

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Our Congress can beat the snot outta yer Parliament . . .

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rayban1 wrote:

The end of the cold war greatly decreased the need for the US to protect the ungrateful Europeans and left them free to spit in our face.

.... which they didn't do, for some reason. Clinton's visits were big events in Europe, and he was greeted by hundreds, if not thousands, in the streets. The same is true for daddy Bush, so you obviously can't argue that Europeans hate Republican presidents. And both Bush senior and Clinton were post-cold war, right?

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Setanta wrote:

Our Congress can beat the snot outta yer Parliament . . .

Yer talkin' to me, Yankee?

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Yeah, yer real tough so long as yer on that side of the pond . . .

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Ticomaya wrote:

candidone1 wrote:
Maybe anti-Americanism is not a result of post-Cold War "superpower envy" as some authors and journalists have suggested, and is either a learned response, or simply knee-jerk reaction to all the flag waving self-congratulatory citizens who themselves have a superiority complex, not because of any objective or perceived superiority, rather, by default vis a vis their citizenship in a nation that encourages and promotes such blind arrogance disguised as vigorous patriotism

Give us your perspective .... do you think the US has a "superiority complex" of which you are envious? You don't like patriotism, and you hate those that do? Please tell us: What is the cause of your anti-Americanism?

I think the US has a superiority complex.
No I am not jealous of it.
I never said that I hate patriotism.
Never said that I hate those who are patriots.
Did you read my post...or just invent text between the lines?

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Setanta wrote:

Yeah, yer real tough so long as yer on that side of the pond . . .

I'd be that tough if was on the other side of a street, and now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

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Perhaps the world is not anti-American.... Perhaps they are just anti-Arogance ;-)

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My nu-cu-lar penis is bigger'n yer nu-cu-lar penis . . .

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