Profile of Al Queda #3 just captured

Besides fantasy TV-shows, results you claim are not corroborated with facts of large scale prevention of plots.

At any rate, Let's make sure then that we stick with effective/legal/APPROVED BY OUR ARMY methods of interrogation so we won't end up sliding down the slippery slope where humiliation becomes sexual assault with flash-bulbs and stress positions bring death caused by disintegrated thigh muscles from repeated blunt impact.

The slide is an inevitability when you are dealing with believers/dogmatics that you end up in a one-up-manship of 'stress'ing them.

Survivors tell us that when a human is broken, they will say ANYTHING to get the hurting to stop, anything you want them to, which makes the framwork of 'hurting people to get the truth out' an ineffective proposition on both ends of the spectrum from 'torture-light' on downward to assault and murder.

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That's why humiliation, stress positions and mental fatigue do not equal torture. Those actions get results, torture does not. Some people like to call it torture because it's a nice buzzword. Really gets the fingers typing when you call it torture.

I agree with you McG that there are appropriate and inappropriate techniques that can be used for interrogation. But we're not just talking about the approved techniques, are we?

Because we all know there's been quite a few cases of unapproved techniques being used, and one has to wonder which techniques are really unapproved...

Cycloptichorn

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One of the great torture techniques in recent memory was the redistricting of Texas.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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That's why humiliation, stress positions and mental fatigue do not equal torture. Those actions get results, torture does not. Some people like to call it torture because it's a nice buzzword. Really gets the fingers typing when you call it torture.

I agree with you McG that there are appropriate and inappropriate techniques that can be used for interrogation. But we're not just talking about the approved techniques, are we?

Because we all know there's been quite a few cases of unapproved techniques being used, and one has to wonder which techniques are really unapproved...

Cycloptichorn

So far, the ones that have been accused of going beyond the the rules have been getting their day in court. Many are now sitting in jail cells of their own.

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No, you know as well as I do that the vast majority of those who went beyond the rules don't get punished. See my thread on gov't documents on torture.

Cycloptichorn

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Abu Ghraib guard England was ready to go to prison

05 May 2005 22:28:14 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Adam Tanner

KILLEEN, Texas, May 5 (Reuters) - Former Abu Ghraib prison guard Pfc. Lynndie England was ready to go to prison this week and was extremely disappointed by the collapse of a plea deal that could have put her behind bars for several years, her military lawyer said on Thursday.

"You still have a sword of Damocles hanging over her head at this point, which makes it extremely difficult to continue to live with," Capt. Jonathan Crisp told Reuters. "Now we are back to where we were a year ago, which anyone I think would recognize, is horribly wearing physically, emotionally and so on."

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Remains to be seen what will happen...

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Seems everyone has missed this;

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But hey, never let the facts and all that....

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Yes, noticed it yesterday.... A "spelling mistake". Pathetic.

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Yeah, it's just more of their lies and bullsh!t.

Cycloptichorn

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I nominate Homer Simpson to play the lead in the inevitable film biography of Geroge Bush.

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These guys are very good at creating diversions so folks will look the other way. Violence in Iraq goes through the roof and turmoil grows within the new 'government', so:

1) publicize an important capture (which turns out likely not to be)

2) stage a loud military operation and claim 100 insurgents killed (a military commander on the scene says maybe two dozen...no mention of civilian casualities of course)

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Of course. They got called on the 'terror alert/bush approval rating' scam they were pulling, so they had to switch to something new.

Cycloptichorn

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Just imagine Al Gore attempting to bore the terrorists to death.

Or John Kerry, who promptly after being faced with responding to an act of terrorism against the U.S., moves to France.

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Right, right. Can't say anything in defense of your guys? Turn to base insults.

Why don't you go polish your guns and leave the discussion to those with a brain, cjhsa?

Cycloptichorn

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You completely miss my point, as always, eyeball.

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You know as well as I do that you don't have one. Your purpose was to irritate and ridicule. Childish.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

You know as well as I do that you don't have one. Your purpose was to irritate and ridicule. Childish.

Cycloptichorn

And what was your purpose?

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Why is it that Cyclops is allowed to get away with personal insults, repeatedly?

"III.5) Lively debate is accepted, and even encouraged, but personal attacks are not. Active topics and heated debate are welcome in the Able2Know service. However, personal attacks are a direct violation of this Agreement and are grounds for immediate and permanent removal from the service."

And by the way my point is the Democrats have no clue and no idea about how to handle terrorism. It's a dirty job and we're getting our hands dirty to take care of the problem. The Dems are complaining because there isn't any anti-bacterial soap.

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You mean his accusing you of not having a brain is a personal attack in violation of the TOS of A2K? Shocked

Yes, I guess it is.

He is certainly not the very Palidin of reasonable and courteous discourse at this site.

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There was no personal attack in there at all. You should learn to read more carefully.

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And by the way my point is the Democrats have no clue and no idea about how to handle terrorism. It's a dirty job and we're getting our hands dirty to take care of the problem. The Dems are complaining because there isn't any anti-bacterial soap.

See? Now that is a post that can be discussed, whereas your other one was not. As it is, this is completely wrong and you have no evidence to support this opinion whatsoever; you also have little evidence that REPUBLICANS know what they are doing, either, as terrorism has steadily risen under their watch, and actually the greatest terrorist attack against America was under their watch. Not a great track record.

Cycloptichorn

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