Profile of Al Queda #3 just captured

That's why humiliation, stress positions and mental fatigue do not equal torture. Those actions get results, torture does not. Some people like to call it torture because it's a nice buzzword. Really gets the fingers typing when you call it torture.

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That's why humiliation, stress positions and mental fatigue do not equal torture. Those actions get results, torture does not. Some people like to call it torture because it's a nice buzzword. Really gets the fingers typing when you call it torture.

I agree with you McG that there are appropriate and inappropriate techniques that can be used for interrogation. But we're not just talking about the approved techniques, are we?

Because we all know there's been quite a few cases of unapproved techniques being used, and one has to wonder which techniques are really unapproved...

Cycloptichorn

Abu Ghraib guard England was ready to go to prison

05 May 2005 22:28:14 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Adam Tanner

KILLEEN, Texas, May 5 (Reuters) - Former Abu Ghraib prison guard Pfc. Lynndie England was ready to go to prison this week and was extremely disappointed by the collapse of a plea deal that could have put her behind bars for several years, her military lawyer said on Thursday.

"You still have a sword of Damocles hanging over her head at this point, which makes it extremely difficult to continue to live with," Capt. Jonathan Crisp told Reuters. "Now we are back to where we were a year ago, which anyone I think would recognize, is horribly wearing physically, emotionally and so on."

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May 08, 2005

Captured Al-Qaeda kingpin is case of ?'mistaken identity'
Christina Lamb and Mohammad Shehzad Islamabad



THE capture of a supposed Al-Qaeda kingpin by Pakistani agents last week was hailed by President George W Bush as "a critical victory in the war on terror". According to European intelligence experts, however, Abu Faraj al-Libbi was not the terrorists' third in command, as claimed, but a middle-ranker derided by one source as "among the flotsam and jetsam" of the organisation.
Al-Libbi's arrest in Pakistan, announced last Wednesday, was described in the United States as "a major breakthrough" in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.



Bush called him a "top general" and "a major facilitator and chief planner for the Al- Qaeda network". Condoleezza Rice, secretary of state, said he was "a very important figure". Yet the backslapping in Washington and Islamabad has astonished European terrorism experts, who point out that the Libyan was neither on the FBI's most wanted list, nor on that of the State Department "rewards for justice" programme.

Another Libyan is on the FBI list ?- Anas al-Liby, who is wanted over the 1998 East African embassy bombings ?- and some believe the Americans may have initially confused the two. When The Sunday Times contacted a senior FBI counter-terrorism official for information about the importance of the detained man, he sent material on al-Liby, the wrong man.

"Al-Libbi is just a ?'middle-level' leader," said Jean-Charles Brisard, a French intelligence investigator and leading expert on terrorism finance. "Pakistan and US authorities have completely overestimated his role and importance. He was never more than a regional facilitator between Al-Qaeda and local Pakistani Islamic groups."

According to Brisard, the arrested man lacks the global reach of Al-Qaeda leaders such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, Bin Laden's number two, Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, or Anas al-Liby.

Although British intelligence has evidence of telephone calls between al-Libbi and operatives in the UK, he is not believed to be Al-Qaeda's commander of operations in Europe, as reported.

The only operations in which he is known to have been involved are two attempts to assassinate Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president, in 2003. Last year he was named Pakistan's most wanted man with a $350,000 (£185,000) price on his head.

No European or American intelligence expert contacted last week had heard of al-Libbi until a Pakistani intelligence report last year claimed he had taken over as head of operations after Khalid Shaikh Mohammad's arrest. A former close associate of Bin Laden now living in London laughed: "What I remember of him is he used to make the coffee and do the photocopying."

What is known is that al-Libbi moved from Libya to Pakistan in the mid-1980s before joining the jihad in Afghanistan. He married a Pakistani woman and is said to specialise in maps and diagrams. He is thought to have joined Bin Laden in Sudan with other Libyan nationals in about 1992 and to have become Al-Qaeda's co-ordinator with home-grown Pakistani terrorist groups after 9/11.

Some believe al-Libbi's significance has been cynically hyped by two countries that want to distract attention from their lack of progress in capturing Bin Laden, who has now been on the run for almost four years.

Even a senior FBI official admitted that al-Libbi's "influence and position have been overstated". But this weekend the Pakistani government was sticking to the line that al-Libbi was the third most important person in the Al-Qaeda network.

One American official tried to explain the absence of al-Libbi's name on the wanted list by saying: "We did not want him to know he was wanted."

Whatever his importance, al-Libbi is the sixth Al-Qaeda figure to have been caught in Pakistan, suggesting that the country is now the organisation's centre of operations. The interior minister, Aftab Khan Sherpao, conceded that Bin Laden and his deputy might be hiding in a Pakistani city.

"But the capture of al-Libbi will have made them very apprehensive. Whether big fry or small fry, they're on the run, I can tell you that."

You know as well as I do that you don't have one. Your purpose was to irritate and ridicule. Childish.

Cycloptichorn

And by the way my point is the Democrats have no clue and no idea about how to handle terrorism. It's a dirty job and we're getting our hands dirty to take care of the problem. The Dems are complaining because there isn't any anti-bacterial soap.