nimh, this will dismissed in ican's previous word for the month, "cannot's." However, I am glad that people are stepping up to say the facts and reality of the case.
Ican, the operative word there would be "believed."
Quote:Haas has it exactly right!
Nothing the civilians being mass murdered, or the civilians who will be mass murdered, have done justifies their mass murder. Nothing!
It is terrifying that you actually think otherwise. It is even more terrifying that you and other people who think like you, because of such thinking might eventually evolve into malignancies yourselves.
Goodgodgerty!
Haas says they hate us because of 'who we are' but doesn't provide a shred of evidence to show how this is true. This is becuase it is not true.
Yes, it is true. It is who we are and not what we have done that causes the malignancy to hate us enough to want to murder us. Whether Haas provided adequate evidence to support his opinion in this particular article is debatable. But what Haas did or did not do in his article is irrelevant to the question of whether there exists adequate evidence to support his opinion. The fact is there is more than adequate evidence to support Haas's opinion. Start with Osama bin Laden's fatwahs: 1992, 1996, 1998, and 2004. His 2004 fatwah is more than enough evidence all by itself.
Quote:Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols
Jun 09, 2004
Translation By JUS
All praises be to Allah and peace be upon His messenger, Prophet Muhammad, his families, companions and whoever follows:
Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.
Prophet Muhammad said "I am free from who lives among idols".
No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.
Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.
We confirm and repeat this statement in support of the Ummah (Islam nation), caring for our Muslim brothers' blood for who we undertake these operations, to defend them, their religion, honor and lands and to be free from those who disobey Allah's Orders and continue to live with the Crusaders thereby gaining an evil omen.
We further repeat our warning to the officials and those who guard the American complexes and who stand with America and its hired help, who takes up arms against the Mujahideen for defending for them and their interests such as the Saudi government and others who choose to support the idol’s regime over the Islamic one. We call them to repent, separate and to hate idols by fighting them with money, tongues and arms.
Our prayer to Allah is that we may assist His religion and spread His word and we ask to be given His enemies. Allah alone is sufficient and the end belongs to the pious believers. There is no aggression except upon oppressors. Praise be to Allah is our last worship.
Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf
19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425
That's more than adequate evidence to support Haas's opinion that the terrorists hate us for who we are and not what we have done.
The question of the article isn't 'are the terrorists justified,' though that is the way you have chosen to look at it. The question was 'why do they hate us?' There is ample evidence that our DIRECT actions have lead to much of this extremism, and you know it! There is little evidence that they 'hate freedom' and want to kill us all.
What are the major goals of OBL and AQ, Ican?
Reformation of Dar-Al Islaam.
Hatred has consequences. It's these consequences and not their hatred emotion itself that matters to me. The stated goal of restoring Dar-al Islaam is all by itself more than adequate evidence of their hatred of both us and our doctrine LALL. Efforts to restore Dar-al Islaam are all by themselves violations of our doctrine LALL. Additionally, they demonstrate their hated by seeking to live by the doctrine DAMD with us the intended victims to accomplish their goal.
What did your piece a few posts above say again?
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A booklet by the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure), believed to be linked to the recent London bombings, declares the U.S., Israel and India as existential enemies of Islam and lists eight reasons for global jihad. These include the restoration of Islamic sovereignty to all lands where Muslims were once ascendant, including Spain, "Bulgaria, Hungary, Cyprus, Sicily, Ethiopia, Russian Turkistan and Chinese Turkistan. . . Even parts of France reaching 90 kilometers outside Paris." Blaming the U.S. for the delusions of these admittedly small groups confers a degree of legitimacy on Islamist extremists and undermines moderate Muslim struggling for the soul of their faith.
That's not a delusion. That's Dar al-Islaam. Of course I don't think it's going to happen or that it's right; but your piece is reinforcing my statement that the terrorists have other goals than just to kill. They have other reasons than just hate.
An hate goal and a killing goal cannot be made less horrible by any other goal they may have. The malignancy's attempt to restore Dar al-Islam is the consequence of their hatred of us.
You and Haas seek to simplify and demonize your enemies simultaneously. You speak about how they must be 'exterminated' and give them childish motivations. Ridiculous! You also seek to remove responsibility from the US for it's actions, which I find troubling at best and downright idiotic at worst. You are a smart guy; you know as well as I do that we have been messing around over there for a long time, and that we've lead to a lot of problems there in our search for Oil. All perfectly justified according to you, right? Not according to everyone.
Wake up! Underestimating the enemy will get you, and all of us, killed!
Oh yes, most definitely yes! Yes! "Wake up! Underestimating the enemy will get you, and all of us, killed!"
Yes, "we have been messing around over there for a long time, and that we've lead to a lot of problems there in our search for Oil." No, It is not "all perfectly justified." But all that "messing around over there for a long time" is not justification for the mass murder of civilians by malignancy; in particular, it is not justification for the mass murder of Iraqi civilians by malignancy.
There is an argument made by the other side, one I would like to see you address:
The US, through it's economic support and direct military action, has killed many, many more civilians than Terrorists have killed. Many more. We say we're doing it in the name of 'good.' They disagree. They also say that since we ELECT our leaders, and they choose to go to war, and we don't kick them out, then our civilians are complicit in the deaths of innocents.
How is this argument flawed?
I do not think it true that "The US, through it's economic support and direct military action, has killed many, many more civilians than Terrorists have killed." I have encountered zero evidence that this is true. The evidence I have encountered demonstrates that terrorists (e.g., nazis, fascists, communists, Arafat, Saddam, al Qaeda) have killed millions of civilians in the 20th century, and are continuing a high murder rate in the 21st century.
Perhaps, you are limiting your focus to the al Qaeda malignancy terrorist-caused death rate since 1996. If so please provide evidence that the "US, through it's economic support and direct military action," has since 1996 killed many more civilians than the current about 35 daily civilian death rate caused by terrorists.
Cycloptichorn
Before you can exterminate anybody, you have to identify them and keep them in one place long enough in order to do the exterminating.
How do you propose to do this? Put an advert in the Baghdad Times?
Cycloptichorn wrote:Quote:Haas has it exactly right!
Nothing the civilians being mass murdered, or the civilians who will be mass murdered, have done justifies their mass murder. Nothing!
It is terrifying that you actually think otherwise. It is even more terrifying that you and other people who think like you, because of such thinking might eventually evolve into malignancies yourselves.
Goodgodgerty!
Haas says they hate us because of 'who we are' but doesn't provide a shred of evidence to show how this is true. This is becuase it is not true.
Yes, it is true. It is who we are and not what we have done that causes the malignancy to hate us enough to want to murder us. Whether Haas provided adequate evidence to support his opinion in this particular article is debatable. But what Haas did or did not do in his article is irrelevant to the question of whether there exists adequate evidence to support his opinion. The fact is there is more than adequate evidence to support Haas's opinion. Start with Osama bin Laden's fatwahs: 1992, 1996, 1998, and 2004. His 2004 fatwah is more than enough evidence all by itself.
Quote:Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols
Jun 09, 2004
Translation By JUS
All praises be to Allah and peace be upon His messenger, Prophet Muhammad, his families, companions and whoever follows:
Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.
Prophet Muhammad said "I am free from who lives among idols".
No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.
Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.
We confirm and repeat this statement in support of the Ummah (Islam nation), caring for our Muslim brothers' blood for who we undertake these operations, to defend them, their religion, honor and lands and to be free from those who disobey Allah's Orders and continue to live with the Crusaders thereby gaining an evil omen.
We further repeat our warning to the officials and those who guard the American complexes and who stand with America and its hired help, who takes up arms against the Mujahideen for defending for them and their interests such as the Saudi government and others who choose to support the idol's regime over the Islamic one. We call them to repent, separate and to hate idols by fighting them with money, tongues and arms.
Our prayer to Allah is that we may assist His religion and spread His word and we ask to be given His enemies. Allah alone is sufficient and the end belongs to the pious believers. There is no aggression except upon oppressors. Praise be to Allah is our last worship.
Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf
19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425
That's more than adequate evidence to support Haas's opinion that the terrorists hate us for who we are and not what we have done.
No, it isn't. This is far from evidence that that terrorists are doing their actions out of 'hate' of us. It specifically says that:
[quote]Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.
OBL specifically says that those who associate with the enemy will be treated as the enemy. Nowhere does it state that they 'hate' the enemy or that they hate the freedoms of the enemy. Ridiculous that you would even post such a tangential piece; it has nothing to do with the topic at all. You have failed to provide counter-evidence to my earlier posted evidence where OBL specifically states that they don't hate freedom and that it is the actions of the US that they are against.[/color]
The question of the article isn't 'are the terrorists justified,' though that is the way you have chosen to look at it. The question was 'why do they hate us?' There is ample evidence that our DIRECT actions have lead to much of this extremism, and you know it! There is little evidence that they 'hate freedom' and want to kill us all.
What are the major goals of OBL and AQ, Ican?
Reformation of Dar-Al Islaam.
Hatred has consequences. It's these consequences and not their hatred emotion itself that matters to me. The stated goal of restoring Dar-al Islaam is all by itself more than adequate evidence of their hatred of both us and our doctrine LALL.
Untrue, this is a huge logical jump on your part. You cannot equate a desire to restore their people to their former status of power with 'hate' and 'hate of freedom.'
Efforts to restore Dar-al Islaam are all by themselves violations of our doctrine LALL. Additionally, they demonstrate their hated by seeking to live by the doctrine DAMD with us the intended victims to accomplish their goal.
I reject the premise that we have EVER LALL. We meddle constantly in the affairs of others. We certainly haven't LALL in the Middle East. Further ridiculousness, do you know history at all?
What did your piece a few posts above say again?
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A booklet by the Pakistani jihadist group Lashkar-e-Taiba (Army of the Pure), believed to be linked to the recent London bombings, declares the U.S., Israel and India as existential enemies of Islam and lists eight reasons for global jihad. These include the restoration of Islamic sovereignty to all lands where Muslims were once ascendant, including Spain, "Bulgaria, Hungary, Cyprus, Sicily, Ethiopia, Russian Turkistan and Chinese Turkistan. . . Even parts of France reaching 90 kilometers outside Paris." Blaming the U.S. for the delusions of these admittedly small groups confers a degree of legitimacy on Islamist extremists and undermines moderate Muslim struggling for the soul of their faith.
That's not a delusion. That's Dar al-Islaam. Of course I don't think it's going to happen or that it's right; but your piece is reinforcing my statement that the terrorists have other goals than just to kill. They have other reasons than just hate.
A hate goal and a killing goal cannot be made less horrible by any other goal they may have. The malignancy's attempt to restore Dar al-Islam is the consequence of their hatred of us.
Untrue. The attempt to reform Dar al-Islaam is not indicative of 'hate' or 'hate of freedom' at all. This is another unsupportable logical jump on your part. You merely seek to make every single motivation of the terrorists revolve around 'hate,' as if they were some sort of cariciature of a person, a beast. You underestimate and simplify your enemy's motives. A huge mistake.
You and Haas seek to simplify and demonize your enemies simultaneously. You speak about how they must be 'exterminated' and give them childish motivations. Ridiculous! You also seek to remove responsibility from the US for it's actions, which I find troubling at best and downright idiotic at worst. You are a smart guy; you know as well as I do that we have been messing around over there for a long time, and that we've lead to a lot of problems there in our search for Oil. All perfectly justified according to you, right? Not according to everyone.
Wake up! Underestimating the enemy will get you, and all of us, killed!
Oh yes, most definitely yes! Yes! "Wake up! Underestimating the enemy will get you, and all of us, killed!"
Yes, "we have been messing around over there for a long time, and that we've lead to a lot of problems there in our search for Oil." No, It is not "all perfectly justified." But all that "messing around over there for a long time" is not justification for the mass murder of civilians by malignancy; in particular, it is not justification for the mass murder of Iraqi civilians by malignancy.
Your ideas of justification and theirs differ. The question in this argument is not whether or not they have the correct justification or not, but from whether or not their actions are based upon a justification that they hate everything that we are or that they hate everything we do.
You admit that we've been active in their region for a long time, without invitation, and that all of our actions have not been justified. You claim that this still isn't enough justification for what they do. They claim that it IS justification for what they do. Your argument is that they do not claim this, when they have, over and over. Do I need to start quoting OBL's releases for you?
There is an argument made by the other side, one I would like to see you address:
The US, through it's economic support and direct military action, has killed many, many more civilians than Terrorists have killed. Many more. We say we're doing it in the name of 'good.' They disagree. They also say that since we ELECT our leaders, and they choose to go to war, and we don't kick them out, then our civilians are complicit in the deaths of innocents.
How is this argument flawed?
I do not think it true that "The US, through it's economic support and direct military action, has killed many, many more civilians than Terrorists have killed." I have encountered zero evidence that this is true. The evidence I have encountered demonstrates that terrorists (e.g., nazis, fascists, communists, Arafat, Saddam, al Qaeda) have killed millions of civilians in the 20th century, and are continuing a high murder rate in the 21st century.
Perhaps, you are limiting your focus to the al Qaeda malignancy terrorist-caused death rate since 1996. If so please provide evidence that the "US, through it's economic support and direct military action," has since 1996 killed many more civilians than the current about 35 daily civilian death rate caused by terrorists.
You list Arafat, Nazis, Fascists, and Saddma as terrorists. None of those are terrorists. Only AQ on your list counts as terrorists. Stop being dense.
Recent numbers have shown that the US is responsible for at least 20-30 thousand innocent civilian deaths in Iraq. We were bombing innocent civilians in Iraq during the whole 1990's. Our economic support of Israel lead to the untimely deaths of thousands of Palestianians and at least a thousand Palestianian children. Our economic sanctions against Iraq starved hundreds of thousands to death while we willingly allowed US companies to participate in the Oil-for-Food scam, or did you forget that tidbit? This adds up to far more than terrorists have killed.
You don't see yourself as responsible for any of those things, but the terrorists do. These are the actions that they hate; not our freedoms.
You can argue all day that these actions are not justification for what they are doing, or have done, and I'm fine with that. Just don't argue that they 'hate' us for illogical reasons, because that isn't the case, and furthermore, it is idiotic and dangerous to simplify the motives of your enemies.
Additionally, the '35 per day' number that you have thrown out is only accurate for the last two years or so. If you look at the number of people killed in Iraq by the US, and add the number of people starved to death in Iraq by our sham sanctions, it far exceeds reported terrorist casualties.
Today, I'll be red.
No, it isn't. This is far from evidence that that terrorists are doing their actions out of 'hate' of us. It specifically says that:
[quote]Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.
They want us dead because we are not them. They want us dead because of who we are.
Quote:They want us dead because we are not them. They want us dead because of who we are.
This sums up your whole post, and ideology; and it simply isn't true.
Though it does explain a lot about you.
Cycloptichorn
Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.
I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped
Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
World Islamic Front Statement
23 February 1998
Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.
Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols
Jun 09, 2004
Once again, we repeat our call and send this clear message to our Muslim brothers, warning against fellowship with the Crusaders, the Americans, Westerners and all idols in the Arab Gulf. Muslims should not associate with them anywhere, be it in their homes, complexes or travel with them by any means of transportation.
Prophet Muhammad said "I am free from who lives among idols".
No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.
Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.
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FAS Note: The following statement from Usama bin Laden and his associates purports to be a religious ruling (fatwa) requiring the killing of Americans, both civilian and military. This document is part of the evidence that links the bin Laden network to the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. The original Arabic text of this statement may be found here.
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Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders
World Islamic Front Statement
23 February 1998
Shaykh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin
Ayman al-Zawahiri, amir of the Jihad Group in Egypt
Abu-Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, Egyptian Islamic Group
Shaykh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan
Fazlur Rahman, amir of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to Allah, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book: "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but Allah is worshipped, Allah who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.
The Arabian Peninsula has never -- since Allah made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas -- been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies spreading in it like locusts, eating its riches and wiping out its plantations. All this is happening at a time in which nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have in the past argued about the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it. The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, but they are helpless.
Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So here they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on Allah, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al-Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said: "As for the fighting to repulse [an enemy], it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed [by the ulema]. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."
On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."
This is in addition to the words of Almighty Allah: "And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? -- women and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"
We -- with Allah's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in Allah and wishes to be rewarded to comply with Allah's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty Allah said: "O ye who believe, give your response to Allah and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that Allah cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."
Almighty Allah also says: "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Almighty Allah also says: "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."
To push the enemy - the greatest kufr - out of the country is a prime duty. No other duty after Belief is more important than [this] duty. Utmost effort should be made to preapre and instiage the umma [communitiy of Muslims] against the enemy, the American-Israeli alliance - occupying the country of the two Holy Places...
--Osama bin Laden's Declaration of War, published in al-Quds al-Arabi, and Iraqi newspaper published in London: August, 1996
"So we tell the Americans as people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers
and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the
lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look
after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation
of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did.
This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves. It is our duty to lead people to the light."
- Muslim leader Osama bin Laden from the May, 1998 interview of by ABC
reporter John Miller
Every Muslim, the minute he can start differentiating, carries hate towards Americans, Jews, and Christians; this is part of our ideology. Ever since I can recall I felt at war with the Americans and had feelings of animosity and hate toward them.
--Osama bin Laden in an interview broadcast on al-Jazira television. December, 1998.
It [The Islamist political movement, Islamic fundamentalism, or Islamism] is partly a reaction to the severe crises of modernity converging with the rise of charismatic prophetic leaders. It is both a religious reform movement and a political ideology that includes a social element of protest by have-nots against an oppressive order, as well as a counter-attack on secularism, which has reduced the power of religion in recent decades.
"The Islamist View of Life as a Perennial Battle," Middle East Review of International Affairs, 5, no. 4 (December 2001).
Look at modern history. Where has Great Britain gone? Where has Czarist Russia gone? Where has France gone - France, which almost ruled the entire world? Where is Nazi Germany, which massacred millions and ruled the world? Where did all these superpowers go? He who made them disappear will make America disappear too, God willing. He who made Russia disappear overnight is capable of making America disappear and fall, Allah willing.
We have ruled the world before, and by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again. The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world - except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquility under our rule, because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew.
http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=669
"So we tell the Americans as people, and we tell the mothers of soldiers
and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the
lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look
after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation
of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did.
This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves. It is our duty to lead people to the light."
