US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday that a company of the California Army National Guard was placed on restricted duty over allegations that members of the unit abused prisoners in Iraq, possibly with a stun gun. Col. David Baldwin, a California National Guard spokesman told the newspaper that investigations have commenced into allegations of mistreatment of detainees by the guard soldiers.

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There are also reports that National Guard units are asking their state government to opt them out of the Iraq war. I think this is the first time in American history that several National Guard units are requesting to be removed from a war.

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Brian Michels seems to be a bit of a douche bag.

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They don't need to bother. Iraq has asked us to plan our withdrawal--it should start phasing in next summer....or did they say Spring?

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McGentrix wrote:

Brian Michels seems to be a bit of a douche bag.

Why, because he prefers America to Un-America?

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No, because he's trying to give 4 cops charged with doing their jobs a hard time because his political beliefs differ from those of the Bush administration.

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How is it giving someone a hard time to point out that the job they are doing is ineffective in the extreme?

What's the point of searching bags if, as he says, a terrorist could EASILY get into the subway by finding a station w/out cops? There is no point.

Other than to invade people's privacy, that is.

Cycloptichorn

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It's really amazing that this administration continues to implement scare tactics on the American Populace to control it. All these color-coded alarms for potential terrorist attacks, mention of 9-11 over and over, and police inspecting bags while there are so many subway entrance without one, and our borders are open to all comers if they are persistent enough. Too many Americans (so-called) who support this administration doesn't understand anything about what America is all about. If we want a police state, there are plenty of countries in this world without this administration turning this into another one. Open borders, open subway entrances, and repeating 9-11 enough times by this administration have taken it's toll on the American psyche. Most Americans are not capable of seeing all of the inconsistencies - yet.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

How is it giving someone a hard time to point out that the job they are doing is ineffective in the extreme?

What's the point of searching bags if, as he says, a terrorist could EASILY get into the subway by finding a station w/out cops? There is no point.

Other than to invade people's privacy, that is.

Cycloptichorn

Why does it so often appear that liberals are long on criticisms and short on solutions? In this case, the proffered solution is to "stand up to the Bush Administration." That's helpful.

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Dem solution:

Make law enforcement's job more difficult.

Say they are making up danger to cause a panic.

If there IS a terror attack, say they weren't careful enough.

Shorthand for people who think they're supposed to be Democrats, but really don't know what that means:

Just disagree with everything our country does. Don't worry about how inconsistent or irrelevent that makes you. They don't.

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Lash

You are attempting a rhetorical strategy these days which I don't have an appropriate term for. Do you?

There are adjectives which apply, of course, like uncareful, or inflammatory, or generalized, etc. The presence of logical fallacies don't trouble you. Exaggeration is a staple component. Ommission as well.

Have you just given up?

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Maybe. I may have given up on any semblance of realism here.

The man referred to in the article merely acted like an ass and distracted police officers from much more important things. Anyone can find an imperfection in our safety because you can never be 100% safe. Who doesn't know that? But to make sport of officers who have a horrendous job is disgusting to me. He was so smugly self-congratulatory.

And this--and other ignoble jabs by the left toward our own country, our own safety, our own attempts to make sense of what is happening in the world and our own attempts to respond to it the best way we know how-------and then meeting the derisive Democrats, as if they are jeering spectators, rather than partners-- makes me sick.

They may as well be on the side of the terrorists. They're not helping my country.

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Why does it so often appear that liberals are long on criticisms and short on solutions? In this case, the proffered solution is to "stand up to the Bush Administration." That's helpful.

Solutions to what, exactly?

I mean, why the sudden call for extra security? The subways of New York are no more open or secure than they were before the London bombings. They will never be made to be secure without a massive outlay of monies that frankly we don't have, and even that probably would not prove effective.

So what is the point of searching people's bags, exactly? To weed out the moronic terrorists? Idiocy.

Cycloptichorn

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It's moronic to think bag checks don't make bombing more difficult.

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Lash wrote:

Maybe. I may have given up on any semblance of realism here.

The man referred to in the article merely acted like an ass and distracted police officers from much more important things. Anyone can find an imperfection in our safety because you can never be 100% safe. Who doesn't know that? But to make sport of officers who have a horrendous job is disgusting to me. He was so smugly self-congratulatory.

And this--and other ignoble jabs by the left toward our own country, our own safety, our own attempts to make sense of what is happening in the world and our own attempts to respond to it the best way we know how-------and then meeting the derisive Democrats, as if they are jeering spectators, rather than partners-- makes me sick.

They may as well be on the side of the terrorists. They're not helping my country.

Do you really believe that if the Dems were in charge, the Republicans would be congratulating them on their wonderful actions in the fight against terrorism?

Come on, you know better than that. Whoever is in power is going to be attacked by the others. It's just the way politics is.

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kicky--

You are wrong. If they were good decisions and a good effort, we'd be working with them for the benefit of National Security.

We backed Clinton with Kosovo. We would have backed him if he'd killed OBL when he had the chance.

The GOP WILL back a good decision foreign policy-wise. National Security trumps politics with the GOP. Everything is a partisan gotcha game with Democrats--most Democrats.

You can find a lot of supportive statements by Republicans toward Democrat Presidents re foreign policy----if you can find the rare good foreign policy decision by a Democrat.

Some things aren't political fodder.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Why does it so often appear that liberals are long on criticisms and short on solutions? In this case, the proffered solution is to "stand up to the Bush Administration." That's helpful.

Solutions to what, exactly?

I mean, why the sudden call for extra security? The subways of New York are no more open or secure than they were before the London bombings. They will never be made to be secure without a massive outlay of monies that frankly we don't have, and even that probably would not prove effective.

So what is the point of searching people's bags, exactly? To weed out the moronic terrorists? Idiocy.

Cycloptichorn

So you, sumac, and c.i., applaud that idiot's display in the subway. He became part of the problem, not the solution, and that is what you liberals are lauding here.

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It's moronic to think bag checks don't make bombing more difficult.

Further idiocy. Tell me, why wouldn't the terrorists walk to a subway station, just like the guy in the article said, without any cops on it? Not ever station is being patrolled, not even close.

Then you ride the train to the crowded station, and boom.

Think, Lash. I know it's difficult. But try actually acting as if the terrorists aren't idiot children for a minute.

Bag checks do nothing to stop terrorism. It is this kind of thinking that has got us where we are today....

Cycloptichorn

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Lash wrote:

kicky--

You are wrong. If they were good decisions and a good effort, we'd be working with them for the benefit of National Security.

We backed Clinton with Kosovo. We would have backed him if he'd killed OBL when he had the chance.

The GOP WILL back a good decision foreign policy-wise. National Security trumps politics with the GOP. Everything is a partisan gotcha game with Democrats--most Democrats.

You can find a lot of supportive statements by Republicans toward Democrat Presidents re foreign policy----if you can find the rare good foreign policy decision by a Democrat.

Some things aren't political fodder.

Okay, maybe I'm wrong. But didn't a lot of democrats support the Patriot Act?

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It also painfully evident that the GOP will readily back idiotic foreign policy decisions.

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