US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

My hypothesis (for which I will provide evidence in subsequent posts) is that all of you who post these kinds of claims without providing valid evidence to support them, are causing increased acceleration of the growth of malignancy.

ican711nm wrote:

My hypothesis (for which I will provide evidence in subsequent posts) is that all of you who post these kinds of claims without providing valid evidence to support them, are causing increased acceleration of the growth of malignancy.

a totally ridiculous hypothesis

The primary evidence I read is that the US objective in Iraq is to create a police/military state with close to zero intent of creating a democracy. Follow the money they say and watch it go to military training/equiping rather than education and developing skills for self-governance, self-reliance. The US is hoping to create a market place for sales of goods and services in exchange for oil. (the anticipated long-duration US military foot print in Iraq will be an added bonus for ME domnination/intimidation).

ican you seem to be obsessed with your term maligancy

just to set some ground rules here, please define who or what constitutes "the malignancy"

Main Entry: ma·lig·nan·cy
Pronunciation: -n&n(t)-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
1 : the quality or state of being malignant
2 a : exhibition (as by a tumor) of malignant qualities : VIRULENCE b : a malignant tumor

Main Entry: ma·lig·nant
Pronunciation: m&-'lig-n&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin malignant-, malignans, present participle of malignari
1 a obsolete : MALCONTENT, DISAFFECTED b : evil in nature, influence, or effect : INJURIOUS c : passionately and relentlessly malevolent : aggressively malicious
2 : tending to produce death or deterioration <malignant malaria>; especially : tending to infiltrate, metastasize, and terminate fatally <malignant tumor>
- ma·lig·nant·ly adverb

[emphasis added by ican]

cicerone imposter wrote:

July 16, 2005
Anger Burns on the Fringe of Britain's Muslims
By HASSAN M. FATTAH
LEEDS, England, July 15 -
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"He was sick of it all, all the injustice and the way the world is going about it," Mr. Dutt, 22, said. "Why, for example, don't they ever take a moment of silence for all the Iraqi kids who die?"

"It's a double standard, that's why," answered a friend, who called himself Shahroukh, also 22, wearing a baseball cap and basketball jersey, sitting nearby. "I don't approve of what he did, but I understand it. You get driven to something like this, it doesn't just happen."

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That anger stems not merely from unhappiness with the situation of Muslims in Britain, but also solidarity with what they see as the aggressive and unjust treatment of Muslims abroad, and not least from Britain's part in the war in Iraq.

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"We know that the killing of innocents is forbidden," Dr. Waheed said. "But we don't see two classes of blood; the blood of Iraqis is just as important to us as English blood." He emphasized that they in no way condoned the bombings. "But when you understand things from that perspective, why should we condemn the bombing?"

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"Watching the news every day and watching people being killed every day got me to think," he said. "It made me start to think of my own identity and who I was, and it became especially important during the first gulf war, when Britain sent troops to Iraq and they were all very jingoistic and xenophobic."

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"I could see the logic," he said. "It was the situation in the Muslim world in terms of killings, massacres and the realities of what our governments are doing to them."

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The mass murder of Iraqi civilians is not being done by the British or the American militaries. It is being done by those I call the malignancy: by those opposed to the current Iraqi government, by those opposed to the British in Iraq, and by those opposed to the Americans in Iraq. But to get the British and American militaries to leave Iraq is easy. Stop the malignancy from mass murdering Iraqi civilians. To get the Iraqi government to change, vote them out.

British civilians are not mass murdering Iraqi civilians. Why murder them?
American civilians are not mass murdering Iraqi civilians. Why murder them?
Iraqi civilians are not mass murdering Iraqi civilians. Why murder them?

When the malignancy in Iraq is exterminated, the mass murders of Iraqi civilians will stop.

Those who try to convince Muslims otherwise are accomplices of the malignancy and are therefore part of it.

Main Entry: me·tas·ta·sis
Pronunciation: m&-'tas-t&-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural me·tas·ta·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin, from Late Latin, transition, from Greek, from methistanai to change, from meta- + histanai to set -- more at STAND
: change of position, state, or form: as a : transfer of a disease-producing agency from the site of disease to another part of the body b : a secondary metastatic growth of a malignant tumor
- met·a·stat·ic /"me-t&-'sta-tik/ adjective
- met·a·stat·i·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Main Entry: me·tas·ta·size
Pronunciation: m&-'tas-t&-"sIz
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): -sized; -siz·ing
: to spread by or as if by metastasis

ican, all your talk about malignancy and metastasizing makes me think of practicing medicine. You know, like "playing doctor," I did that with some girls when I was little (like last year) anyway, ican, I was wondering if your "playing doctor" was a sign of a second childhood?

'25,000 civilians' killed in Iraq
Nearly 25,000 civilians have died violently in Iraq since the US-led invasion in March 2003, a report says.

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The Iraqi government welcomed the attention the report gave to Iraqi victims, but said it was a mistake to claim that the "plague of terrorism" had killed fewer Iraqis that the multi-national forces.

"The international forces try to avoid civilian casualties, whereas the terrorists target civilians and try to kill as many of them as they can," it said in a statement.

"The root cause of Iraq's suffering is terrorism, inherited from Saddam's fascist regime and from mistaken fundamentalist ideology.

"Everybody knows that international forces are necessary in Iraq, on a temporary basis and they will leave Iraq at a time chosen by Iraqis, not in response to terrorist pressure."
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Story from BBC NEWS:

An administration, keen to out a CIA operative for assumed political gain, can't really be said to give much of a poop regarding honesty, integrity or, certainly, about democracy.

Read this... http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050725fa_fact

Ya wanna know why there isn't more reporting of 'good news' in Iraq?
It's because reporters can't travel outside the green zone to get the stories. It's too dangerous.
That should tell ya something right there.
Cycloptichorn

The ultimate targets of the London bombings were not, of course, human beings. Rather, they were a set of governmental policies that the terrorists hoped to change by separating political leaders from the support of their shaken citizenry. Despite this distinction, however, the underlying psychological principles involved in investigating such crimes remain the same as they would be were we studying a mass- or or serial-murder case, of which terrorists are in many respects the politicized version. Is this to say that the four young men suspected of being the instruments of terror on this occasion can be classified as clinical sociopaths? We will unlikely to be able to answer that question with certainty, now that they are dead. What we can focus on, however, are the motivations and perversities of the vastly more dangerous Islamist clerics and terrorist organizers who sought out youthful pawns and instilled in them a theology of murder.

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Mr. Carr is author of "The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians," and "The Atheist." He teaches military history at Bard.

The ultimate targets of the London bombings were not, of course, human beings. Rather, they were a set of governmental policies that the terrorists hoped to change by separating political leaders from the support of their shaken citizenry. Despite this distinction, however, the underlying psychological principles involved in investigating such crimes remain the same as they would be were we studying a mass- or or serial-murder case, of which terrorists are in many respects the politicized version. Is this to say that the four young men suspected of being the instruments of terror on this occasion can be classified as clinical sociopaths? We will unlikely to be able to answer that question with certainty, now that they are dead. What we can focus on, however, are the motivations and perversities of the vastly more dangerous Islamist clerics and terrorist organizers who sought out youthful pawns and instilled in them a theology of murder.

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But whatever the ultimate reaction of the British people to these latest terrorist outrages, we must hope that American intellectuals and celebrities will not emulate Britain's recent exercises in wavering, revisionist behavior. Already there has been unfortunate evidence that the tendency to "blame the victim" after July 7 was greater in America than it was in Britain. Such words and actions only cause the scent that emerges from our own communities to become that of fear -- and should al Qaeda again detect such an odor inside our borders, we may expect attacks such as those that struck our oldest and most trusted ally to once more visit our own shores. And we may expect them very soon.

Mr. Carr is author of "The Lessons of Terror: A History of Warfare Against Civilians," and "The Atheist." He teaches military history at Bard.