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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jan, 2006 08:59 pm
There goes that "Twilight Zone" theme again ...

Anon
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 07:48 am
More signs of improvement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/22/AR2006012201112.html

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Professionals Fleeing Iraq As Violence, Threats Persist
Exodus of Educated Elite Puts Rebuilding at Risk

By Doug Struck
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 23, 2006; A01



BAGHDAD -- The office of Iraq's most eminent cardiologist is padlocked. A handwritten sign is taped on his wooden door in the private clinic in Baghdad: Patients of Dr. Omar Kubasi should call him in Amman, Jordan.

There, Kubasi, 63, spends his days sitting at a cafe with other physicians and professionals from Iraq. Frustrated, he watches from afar as the medical education system he helped set up during his 36-year career slowly disintegrates. His teaching doctors are fleeing the country in fear. Younger physicians are looking for other countries to train in. Even patients are leaving, no longer confident in the care they can get in Iraq.

"I think it's part of the plan for the country's destruction," Kubasi said by telephone. "The situation in the last six months has gotten so bad, we couldn't continue."

Kubasi left Baghdad in May after he and nine other doctors received letters, written in a childish hand, telling them they would be killed if they did not stop working in their native Iraq. He and his colleagues had been the objects of threats before, but the last carried a foreboding urgency, he said.

Iraq's top professionals -- doctors, lawyers, professors -- and businessmen have been targeted by shadowy political groups for kidnapping and ransom, as well as murder, some of them say. So many have fled the country that Iraq is in danger of losing the core of skilled people it needs most just as it is trying to build a newly independent society.

"It's creating a brain drain," said Amer Hassan Fayed, assistant dean of political science at Baghdad University. "We could end up with a society without knowledge. How can such a society make progress?"

Professionals and businessmen with the means to escape are going to Jordan, Syria, Egypt or, if they have visas, to Western countries. Those left behind say they feel abandoned.

Ahmed Meer Ali, a 27-year-old resident doctor, is left alone to man the private hospital where Kubasi's office is locked and shuttered. Most of the specialists who worked there, providing care to patients and guidance to Ali, have left.

"They are the ones with specialties from England or the U.S.A. They were the ones teaching me," he said. "Now, some patients even go to Iran to get care. In the past, no one in Iraq would go to Iran."

And many educated young Iraqis are hoping to follow.

"Of course I would leave if I could," said Ihana Nabil, 22, who will soon graduate from Baghdad University with a degree in political science. "There's no peace, no stability and no jobs here," she said. Other students at the campus, a temporary oasis in a violent city, agreed.

Exodus is not new to the country. Iraqis who could flee Saddam Hussein's repressive rule did: Poor Shiite Muslims sneaked across the border into Iran, and Sunni Arabs crossed the mountains into Syria or the desert to Jordan. People often waited years for permission to attend a seminar or do business in another country and then would disappear there. Hussein began holding such people's families hostage to guarantee their return.

Many of those émigrés flooded back into Iraq when Hussein fell. But the country's instability and daily regimen of violence have made some reconsider their return. Others who stayed throughout Hussein's rule are finally saying goodbye to their homeland now.

Numbers are impossible to document, partly because those who leave often tell passport officials they are going out of the country for a short visit. Often without telling friends or neighbors, they take a few things from their homes, lock the doors and vanish.

An official at the Interior Ministry's statistics office said the number of Iraqis traveling overland to Jordan held steady at about 200 to 250 a day from July 2004 to June 2005. Since last July, however, the number crossing the border -- excluding truckers and traders -- has ballooned to 1,100 a day, according to the official.

"They may come back if it's safe," Fayed said.

Or they may not. Since the fall of Hussein, kidnapping has mushroomed into a lucrative business. Even children are snatched, to be ransomed the same day for a few hundred dollars from their distraught parents.

Anyone displaying signs of wealth, often professionals and businessmen, are particular targets of kidnappers in search of high ransoms. However, payment is no guarantee a hostage will not simply be killed and dumped; some authorities claim dozens of bodies are found every day but never reported.

That danger is overlaid by the activities of an insurgency that aims to terrify the society by means of bombings, murder and abduction -- or threats. In addition, the death toll from sectarian violence among Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds has climbed steadily.

"Professors have been threatened. Doctors have been killed in their clinics. Killing has become common," Fayed said. "Some people believe this is intentional, to try to empty Iraq of its elite."

Kubasi, the former head of Iraq's military medical corps, believes that. In late April, his secretary handed him a letter written in what he called "bad Arabic" giving them all by May 6 -- 10 days -- to leave the country. He showed the letter to authorities, who suggested he had faked it. By May 8, Kubasi was in Jordan.

His three sons and his daughter are all physicians. They could not risk staying, he said.

"Every day, we sit here, 10 or 12 of us, senior professionals, just discussing the situation," Kubasi said from Amman. "It's mental death to sit here. But even my patients say I should not come back. Really, really, I could not pay for a kidnapper's ransom. And in that case, you would be killed."

It frustrates him to watch the medical training system he helped create fall apart. "The circuit of teaching, training and care is being broken. It may not be recovered," he said.

"Our medical schools and doctors are known all over the Arab world. The teaching care was excellent, based on the British system. We were successful under Saddam Hussein to start our own postgraduate studies, including many medical specialties. Now they are ridding the country of all of this."

Um Mustafa and her husband, a businessman, had hoped to stay. But they abandoned that goal when thieves burst into their bedroom, held their young son in a headlock, with a gun to his head, and demanded that his parents hand over all their gold and jewelry.

"We didn't want to leave," said Um Mustafa, 27, who still fears attack and asked not to be fully identified. "We were a very happy family. Wealthy. My husband had a good job. We had money, a house, car and servants."

The men terrorized the family for more than two hours, threatening to kill or kidnap their 6-year-old son, while their 2-year-old cried. They beat Um Mustafa's husband, finally leaving when they were satisfied they had found all the jewelry, guns and money in the house. They left the couple bound with plastic handcuffs and locked in a room, saying they would burn the house as they left.

"Maybe God wanted to give us a new life," Um Mustafa said. "They didn't kill us."

She and her husband decided to move to Jordan. But they heard that Jordanian authorities, worried about the influx, were making life more difficult for Iraqis there. So they have bought tickets to Cairo instead.

"We don't know how we will live there. My husband will have to find a new job. I will go to work," she said. "Leaving the country was not an easy decision. Any time you start a new life, it's very difficult. But it will be better than staying here in a country were there is no safety anymore.

"I've been through four wars. I never, never felt like leaving before," Um Mustafa said. "Now, life in Iraq has become unsafe. I don't feel safe in my own bedroom -- or in the whole country."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 08:29 am
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More than 2,000 Iraqi civilians murdered per month before Saddam was removed.


Why would you write a thing that you know is untrue?

There were most certainly not 2000 civilians a month being murdered by the time we invaded Iraq. If you want to give the US the ability to show progress, you must also show that Sadaam was making progress as well.

You are twisting statistics. Again.

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 11:09 am
Powell: US will pull troops out this year
Bush will cut and run. He will call it something different, but it will be cutting and running.---BBB

Powell: US will pull troops out this year

Former Bush aide who urged caution over Iraq signals start of withdrawal by end of 2006
byNed Temko
Sunday January 22, 2006
The Observer

Colin Powell, who warned President Bush on the eve of the Iraq war that US forces would have to stay for the long haul after toppling Saddam, yesterday predicted that troop withdrawals would begin by the end of this year.

He spoke as final results of the elections for a new Iraqi government left the Shia Muslim alliance 10 seats short of an outright parliamentary majority - boosting US and British hopes of a coalition including Sunni and Kurdish groups. Britain's ambassador to Iraq, William Patey, said after the results were announced that an 'inclusive government of national unity' would help chances of a 'significant' withdrawal of the UK's 8,000 troops.

Powell, the former Secretary of State, told The Observer that, while the 'characteristics of the new government' would be clearer in the weeks ahead, the US role was to 'make sure the process [of transition] unfolds successfully'.

During his policy battles with Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon hawks in the run-up to the Iraq war, Powell at one point reportedly cautioned Bush: 'If you break it, you own it.' Since stepping down as the administration's senior diplomat after the 2004 presidential election, he has reiterated his view that America must not cut and run.

But asked whether his 'break-it-and-own it' remark implied staying for as long as it takes to get a fully functioning and stable Iraq, Powell replied: 'No. It means fixing it to the point where we can give ownership back,' - a process which he suggested had taken a major step forward with the election of the new Iraqi government.

'We did break that [Saddam] government and I'm glad we broke it,' he said. 'It was a rotten government and something that should be broken. But we then immediately assumed ownership - and we've been working hard for the past two-plus years to return that ownership.'

Powell, who also served as America's military chief-of-staff, said the specific numbers and pace of US troop pull-outs would be decided by 'my junior officers', generals whom he said he had trained as lieutenants. But he said: 'I think we'll probably see some drawdown in numbers in 2006.

'I hope we'll see a reduction in forces as the Iraqi forces become more competent and the Iraqi political system begins to take hold,' he added.

His remarks came amid growing pressure on Bush's administration over Iraq, where 160,000 US troops form by far the largest share of the international military force and where more than 2,000 American soldiers have been killed.

Recent media reports have suggested the Pentagon has plans in place to begin to reduce the number of US troops, but Bush has emphasised that he remains committed to ensuring that a democratic government in Baghdad and Iraq's own security forces can exert control before any full-scale pull-out.

Powell was speaking after a visit to Britain last week to address a series of fundraising dinners for the JNF, a British Jewish charity. In remarks during his visit, he said that in retrospect he felt the Americans should have committed more troops to the Iraqi invasion and ensured that law, order and a functioning government were in place when Saddam's regime collapsed. In an interview with the Jewish Chronicle, he added that 'when the insurgency started, we didn't act quickly enough to try to stop it'. But, he added, 'that's all history... the more important issue is what we do now'.

Speaking to The Observer, Powell was generally upbeat about the prosects for early progress in the move to hand over ownership to the Iraqis.

He also said that while military force to prevent neighbouring Iran getting nuclear arms remained 'an option', he was confident the Iranians remained some distance from getting a nuclear weapon. The emphasis now, he said, was on intense diplomacy by the international community on the Iranians.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 11:26 am
Liberals: "We want us troops out of Iraq! NOW!!!!!"

Bush: "Well, they have had elections, the Iraqi security forces are getting stronger, things have improved to a dregree... I think we can bring some of our kids home."

Liberals: "Look! Bush is cutting and running out of Iraq!!!!"
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 02:35 pm
The point is that Bush says he is not going to cut and run, but he might do that without calling it cutting and running. (according to Powell) They are real good at re-naming things. It's just another of the administrations spin tactics.

As for me, I don't know if it would be better to stay or go and I have said that for some time. Iraqis are screwed either way and we probably are too unless a miracle happens.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 02:50 pm
Hey anyone read this book yet?

Book 'endorsed' by Bin Laden storms US chart

Mr Blum has described the attacks on 11 September as "an understandable retaliation against US foreign policy", stopping short of calling that a justification.
Once an employee of the State Department until his career was cut short after he led demonstrations against the Vietnam War, Mr Blum, 72, has been taken aback by his sudden celebrity. News networks in the US are clamouring to interview him. "The Washington Post refuses to publish my letters, but now they are coming to my house," he told reporters.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article340375.ece
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 05:27 pm
McTag wrote:
Hey anyone read this book yet?

Book 'endorsed' by Bin Laden storms US chart

Mr Blum has described the attacks on 11 September as "an understandable retaliation against US foreign policy", stopping short of calling that a justification.
Once an employee of the State Department until his career was cut short after he led demonstrations against the Vietnam War, Mr Blum, 72, has been taken aback by his sudden celebrity. News networks in the US are clamouring to interview him. "The Washington Post refuses to publish my letters, but now they are coming to my house," he told reporters.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article340375.ece
Yes fell about laughing when I read bin Laden's endorsement in the Indy. Rushed up stairs and wrote inside the cover "A must-read...Osama bin Laden"
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 05:43 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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More than 2,000 Iraqi civilians murdered per month before Saddam was removed.


Why would you write a thing that you know is untrue?
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"American Soldier," by General Tommy Franks, 7/1/2004
"10" Regan Books, An Imprint of HarperCollins Publishers,
bottom of page 543:
"There is evidence that a minimum of 290,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children were massacred on the orders of Saddam and his sons. The number is likely much larger but will never be known for sure."

Since July 1, 2004 when Franks's book was published many more mass graves of men, women and children have been discovered in Iraq.

Rounding down, in the 12 years from 1991 to 2003, Saddam is estimated by several sources to have murdered more than 290,000 civilians. That's an average of 24,166 per year or 2013 per month.

So, on the average:

(1) On Bush41's watch from 1991 to 1993, Saddam murdered about 48,000 Iraqi Civilians;

(2) On Clinton's watch from 1993 to 2001, Saddam murdered about 192,000 Iraqi Civilians;

(3) On Bush43's watch from 2001 to 2003, Saddam murdered about 48,000 Iraqi Civilians.

According to:
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
On Bush43's watch from January 2003 to January 2006, a maximum of about 31,676 Iraqi civilians were either murdered by Saddamists and al Qaeda, or were killed unintentionally by the Coalition. Rounding up, that's an average of about 880 per month.

In the 31 days from December 17, 2005 to January 17, 2006, a maximum of 592 Iraqi civilians were either murdered by Saddamists and al Qaeda, or were killed unintentionally by the Coalition.

That 592 is of course less than the average 880 per month on Bush43's watch from January 2003 until now. Hopefully a monthly decreasing trend will continue to occur over future months and reduce that 880 average for Bush43's watch for the period January 2003 to January 2009, the end of Bush43's term.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 06:07 pm
http://www.nbc4.com/news/6242815/detail.html
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In the tape, bin Laden said he was directing his message to the American people after polls showed that "an overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of American troops from Iraq but (Bush) opposed that desire."

He said insurgents were winning the conflict in Iraq and warned that security measures in the West and the United States could not prevent attacks there.

"The proof of that is the explosions you have seen in the capitals of European nations," he said "The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. The operations are under preparation and you will see them in your homes the minute they are through (with preparations), with God's permission."

The al-Qaida leader did not spell out conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by Al-Jazeera.

"We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to," he said. "We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war.

"There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America," he said.

In an Arabic transcription of the entire tape on the Al-Jazeera Web site -- but not aired -- bin Laden makes an oblique reference to how to prevent new attacks on the United States, but does not specify if these are conditions for a truce.

Bin Laden tells Americans that "if you are sincere in your desire for peace and security, and if Bush refuses to do anything but continue lies and oppression," then he recommends Americans read a book entitled "The Rogue State," apparently a reference to a book of that title by political analyst William Blum. The book has been published in Arabic.

"In its introduction, it states: 'If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended,"' he said
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 06:28 pm
Question Question Question

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/150492.php

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January 09, 2006
Bin Laden Reported Dead (Again)
Is bin Laden dead? I've no idea. Let us pray that this time the reports turn out to be true. Michael Ladeen reports over at NRO (hat tip: Ron):

And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Iranians who reported this note that this year's message in conjunction with the Muslim Haj came from his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, for the first time.
What sources, I wonder, does Ladeen have that, say, the CIA doesn't have? Personally I'm not impressed by the unidentified sources. However, a fair amount of circumstantial evidence exists that bin Laden is dead. Evidence, though, is not proof. Until we have a body I will assume otherwise and if bin Laden is still alive I believe we are looking on the wrong continent all together. Try Africa and start with Somalia.

Posted by Dr. Rusty Shackleford at January 9, 2006


http://sugarcubes.blogsome.com/2006/01/12/osama-bin-laden-passed-away-3-weeks-ago

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Osama Bin Laden Passed Away 3 Weeks Ago?
January 12, 2006
And, according to Iranians I trust, Osama bin Laden finally departed this world in mid-December. The al Qaeda leader died of kidney failure and was buried in Iran, where he had spent most of his time since the destruction of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The Iranians who reported this note that this year’s message in conjunction with the Muslim Haj came from his number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, for the first time.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jan, 2006 06:35 pm
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http://www.nbc4.com/news/6242815/detail.html

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CIA Confirms Bin Laden's Voice On New Tape

POSTED: 10:26 am EST January 19, 2006
UPDATED: 5:12 pm EST January 19, 2006

CAIRO, Egypt -- Al-Jazeera on Thursday aired an audiotape from Osama bin Laden, who says al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offers a truce on "fair" but undefined conditions.

The tape's release came days after a U.S. airstrike in Pakistan that was targeting bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and reportedly killed four leading al-Qaida figures, including possibly al-Zawahri's son-in-law. There was no mention of the attack on the segments that were broadcast.

It was the first tape from the al-Qaida leader in more than a year - the longest period without a message since the Sept. 11 2001 suicide hijackings in the United States.

The CIA has authenticated the voice on the tape as that of bin Laden, an agency official said. The al-Qaida leader is believed to be hiding in the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Al-Jazeera said the tape was recorded in the Islamic month that corresponds with December.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 04:02 am
More glum reading today

Iraq Rebuilding Badly Hobbled, U.S. Report Finds

Published: January 24, 2006

The first official history of the $25 billion American reconstruction effort in Iraq depicts a program hobbled from the outset by gross understaffing, a lack of technical expertise, bureaucratic infighting, secrecy and constantly increasing security costs, according to a preliminary draft.
The document, which begins with the secret prewar planning for reconstruction and touches on nearly every phase of the program through 2005, was assembled by the office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction and debated last month in a closed forum by roughly two dozen experts from outside the office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/international/middleeast/24reconstruct.html?hp&ex=1138165200&en=22937e7e88d8b89e&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 08:13 am
Ican, there have been reports of Bin Laden's death since shortly after going into Afghanistan, who knows really. Who knows if that is truly his voice on the tape. The CIA seem to think it is, they could be wrong or right.

McTag, I read something about that on the washington post as well. I really don't know how people can complain that no one ever talks about the progress. You can't get blood out of a turnip. I also read this in the post as well--alarming.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/23/AR2006012301701.html

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Iraqi Shiite Cleric Pledges to Defend Iran
Sadr, With Powerful Militia, Vows to Respond to Attack by West on Neighbor

By Ellen Knickmeyer and Omar Fekeiki
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, January 24, 2006; A13



BAGHDAD, Jan. 23 -- An Iraqi Muslim cleric who leads a major Shiite militia pledged to come to the defense of neighboring Iran if it were attacked, aides to the cleric, Moqtada Sadr, said Monday.

The commitment, made Sunday in Tehran during a visit by Sadr, came in response to a senior Iranian official's query about what the cleric would do in the event of an attack on Iran. It marked the first open indication that Iraq's Shiite neighbor is preparing for a military response if attacked in a showdown with the West over its nuclear program.

The pledge was also one of the strongest signs yet that Iraq could become a battleground in any Western conflict with Iran, raising the specter of Iraqi Shiite militias -- or perhaps even the U.S.-trained Shiite-dominated military -- taking on American troops here in sympathy with Iran.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 08:23 am
Yea, We're doing a great job!! Rolling Eyes I wouldn't count on the morons getting it any time soon!!

Anon
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 09:57 am
I have told you more than once that Ledeen is a traitor who is pushing for a war with Iran, Ican. You cannot trust anything he writes!

I hope this latest example helps prove that to you...

Do a cross-search with Ledeen and Gorbanifar, research more yerself.

Cycloptichorn
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 10:24 am
Whistleblowers' Stomach-Churning Story Reveals Halliburton C
Whistleblowers' Stomach-Churning Story Reveals Halliburton Cesspool
Charlie Cray
01.23.2006

Cheney keeps using the "support our troops" line every time he needs a distraction. So he should be asked what he thinks about the new revelations that his favorite company exposed U.S. troops operating in Iraq to water that was "roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River."

How did that happen?

According to two former Halliburton employees turned whistleblowers who testified today, it's because KBR was "apparently taking the waste water from the water treatment process, which should have been dumped back in the [Euphrates] river" (from which it was originally extracted -- less than a mile downstream from a raw sewage outlet) and using it as the "non-potable water supply."

This means that thanks to Halliburton/KBR thousands of troops and contract employees stationed at the Ar Ramadi base in Iraq have been using a contaminated bilge for bathing, showering, shaving, laundry and cleaning.

According to one of the whistleblowers who first told this amazing story to Halliburton Watch, the troops have also ignored advisories and used this septic sluice to brush their teeth and make coffee.

So what's a little dirty water, you ask? After all, most of us have experienced a little gastrointestinal misery while vacationing in certain parts of the world. But for the troops this is already no vacation, and the risk of contamination is exactly why companies like Halliburton get paid a lot of money to operate giant reverse-osmosis filters -- so that this kind of problem doesn't have to happen.

Because when it does, it has the potential to be a major setback. As the U.S. Army Field Manual states, "Thoughout military history, the vast majority of casualties in war have been from disease and nonbattle injury. This loss of manpower can be drastically reduced by ensuring that soldiers have adequate supplies of water."

The Association of Military Surgeons found that 9 percent of soldiers evacuated in 2003 suffered from problems of the digestive system, but it's not clear what, if any, waterborne diseases are the result of Halliburton's reckless actions.

"I don't know how bad the problem might be, how many troops may have been exposed to untreated water, and how many might have gotten sick as a result" says Ben Carter, one of the two whistleblowers, who has twenty years of experience working as a water purification expert. "I can't know, because Halliburton apparently has no records and refuses to acknowledge there might be a problem."

According to the other, Ken May, Halliburton's "disregard for essential health, safety and security measures, time card fraud, fraudulent documentation and overbilling -- not to mention the constant barrage of daily threats and retaliatory behavior from our leadership (after coming forward, the two were no allowed to go into hardened shelters during the likely times of insurgent attacks, such as dusk) -- made life at Ar Ramadi nearly unbearable."

The company declined to appear at the hearing, and yet doesn't seem to be able to get its story straight. While denying there is even a problem, it met with Carter three times, to try to find out what documents were in his posession. The whistleblowers say there's a 21-page internal investigation out there somewhere that hasn't yet been released.

Do you think Rumsfeld or Cheney can get it?
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 10:35 am
Halliburton Cited in Iraq Contamination
Halliburton Cited in Iraq Contamination
By Larry Margasak
The Associated Press
Sunday 22 January 2006

Washington - Troops and civilians at a U.S. military base in Iraq were exposed to contaminated water last year and employees for the responsible contractor, Halliburton, couldn't get their company to inform camp residents, according to interviews and internal company documents.

Halliburton, the company formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, disputes the allegations about water problems at Camp Junction City, in Ramadi, even though they were made by its own employees and documented in company e-mails.

"We exposed a base camp population (military and civilian) to a water source that was not treated," said a July 15, 2005, memo written by William Granger, the official for Halliburton's KBR subsidiary who was in charge of water quality in Iraq and Kuwait.

"The level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River," Granger wrote in one of several documents. The Associated Press obtained the documents from Senate Democrats who are holding a public inquiry into the allegations Monday.

Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who will chair the session, held a number of similar inquiries last year on contracting abuses in Iraq. He said Democrats were acting on their own because they had not been able to persuade Republican committee chairmen to investigate.

The company's former water treatment expert at Camp Junction City said that he discovered the problem last March, a statement confirmed by his e-mail the day after he tested the water.

While bottled water was available for drinking, the contaminated water was used for virtually everything else, including handwashing, laundry, bathing and making coffee, said water expert Ben Carter of Cedar City, Utah.

Another former Halliburton employee who worked at the base, Ken May of Louisville, said there were numerous instances of diarrhea and stomach cramps - problems he also suffered.

A spokeswoman for Halliburton said its own inspection found neither contaminated water nor medical evidence to substantiate reports of illnesses at the base. The company now operates its own water treatment plant there, spokeswoman Melissa Norcross said.

A military medical unit that visited Camp Ramadi in mid-April found nothing out of the ordinary in terms of water quality, said Marine Corps Maj. Tim Keefe, a military spokesman. Water-quality testing records from May 23 show the water within normal parameters, he said.

"The allegations appear not to have merit," Keefe said.

Halliburton has contracts to provide a number of services to U.S. forces in Iraq and was responsible for the water quality at the base in Ramadi.

Granger's July 15 memo said the exposure had gone on for "possibly a year" and added, "I am not sure if any attempt to notify the exposed population was ever made."

The first memo on the problem - written by Carter to Halliburton officials on March 24, 2005 - was an "incident report" from tests Carter performed the previous day.

"It is my opinion that the water source is without question contaminated with numerous micro-organisms, including Coliform bacteria," Carter wrote. "There is little doubt that raw sewage is routinely dumped upstream of intake much less than the required 2 mile distance.

"Therefore, it is my conclusion that chlorination of our water tanks while certainly beneficial is not sufficient protection from parasitic exposure."

Carter said he resigned in early April after Halliburton officials did not take any action to inform the camp population.

The water expert said he told company officials at the base that they would have to notify the military. "They told me it was none of my concern and to keep my mouth shut," he said.

On at least one occasion, Carter said, he spoke to the chief military surgeon at the base, asking him whether he was aware of stomach problems afflicting people. He said the surgeon told him he would look into it.

"They brushed it under the carpet," Carter said. "I told everyone, 'Don't take showers, use bottled water."

A July 14, 2005, memo showed that Halliburton's public relations department knew of the problem.

"I don't want to turn it into a big issue right now," staff member Jennifer Dellinger wrote in the memo, "but if we end up getting some media calls I want to make sure we have all the facts so we are ready to respond."

Halliburton's performance in Iraq has been criticized in a number of military audits, and congressional Democrats have contended that the Bush administration has favored the company with noncompetitive contracts.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 11:58 am
McTag wrote:
Hey anyone read this book yet?

Book 'endorsed' by Bin Laden storms US chart

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article340375.ece


I ordered this from the library today, so I'll let you know when I can get it.

There was a piece about this book and its author in the Washington Post recently, too. Very interesting.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jan, 2006 05:08 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I have told you more than once that Ledeen is a traitor who is pushing for a war with Iran, Ican. You cannot trust anything he writes!
Why should I trust anything you write? You rarely provide an explanation of why you believe what you claim you believe. Here you claim Ledeen (sic) (i.e., Michael Ladeen) "is a traitor" but offer no evidence to support that accusation. It is not obviouus to me that "pushing for a war with Iran" is intrinsically traitorous. Lots of lefties here have argued that invading Iran would have been a better choice than invading Iraq.

By the way:
Michael Ladeen over at NRO wrote:
Is bin Laden dead? I've no idea. Let us pray that this time the reports turn out to be true.


I hope this latest example helps prove that to you...
How does this post of yours about Ladeen's statement "help prove" anything about Ladeen?

Do a cross-search with Ledeen and Gorbanifar, research more yerself.
Ladeen wrote he has no idea whether bin Laden is dead or not. Do you think he actually does know? If so, why do you believe that? What specifically are you recommending I search for?

Cycloptichorn
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