US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

Losers come from rooters for failure.
Losers resent winners.

Winners come from rooters for success.
Winners try to help losers root for success and be winners too.

icant, You are blind, deaf and dumb.

This administration not only sent our men and women into a unnecessary war, but they didn't equip them properly so that 80 percent of the marines that got killed can be blamed on this administration. You wouldn't see incompetence if your life depended on it.

Like I previously posted: You wouldn't know what I can see even if you could see.

By the way, you have successfully motivated me to quantify the old dictum: "consider the source."

I allege: One's Credibility, C, is equal to the Truths, T, one has told, minus the Falsities, F, one has told, minus the Insults, I, one has given.

C= T - F - I.

A person whose C = 0 only has in future a 50% chance of telling a truth.
A person with C > 0 has in future a better than a 50% chance of telling a truth.
A person with C < 0 has in future less than a 50% chance of telling a truth.

Your C < 0.

When we assign a weight 1 thru 10 to each individual T, F, and I to represent their individual significance,

Your C <<<< 0.

Yeah, when it becomes impossible to challenge what I write, attack the messenger. Typical right-wing strategy that doesn't work with anybody with half a brain.

If we are winning in Iraq, I wonder what loosing would look like? (heard that somewhere over the weekend, forgot where..)

Did YOU just say this?

That's a riot!

McG, I'm always a riot. Don't sell me short.

Gad, what horrendous fraud! Your C (i.e., Credibility) just dropped even lower than it was before.

It was you, not me, who posted:

Such blatant abusive fraud works only with other practitioners of such fraud.

You posted an only seven word statement containing four insults. I say that is a typical left-wing strategy like yours to perpetrate the very thing they and you actually do themselves and yourself.

It's all in the wrist.

We are not winning in Iraq. We are not losing in Iraq. But we have been and are making measureable progress toward our goal of winning in Iraq.

I'll try an analogy. The University of Texas football team was losing to the University of Southern California football team right up to the last minutes of the game. Then the University of Texas football team won. They won because they persevered to a greater extent then did the University of Southern California football team.

But alas this analogy really doesn't hold, because, thankfully, neither team was handicapped by members in their midsts who rooted for them to lose! Both football teams had 12-0 honorable winning records. Both football teams are great football teams. They both played a great game.

About one-third of the USA population is rooting for the USA to lose in Iraq. They are disgusting. They are behaving like de facto allies of our enemies. They are in fact a source of encouragement to our enemies to persevere. They are in fact responsible for why our enemies have not chosen the faster and less deadly way to get the USA to leave Iraq: stop the murder of civilians in Iraq. They are in fact handicapping our effort to defeat our enemies and win in Iraq. They are in fact losers seeking to surround themselves at home with more losers like themselves.

We will win in Iraq because we will persevere sufficiently despite the handicap of the losers in our midst.

More likely, it's all in your blatter, ureters and kidneys. Try cranberry juice to clean 'em out.

icant wrote:
We are not losing in Iraq. But we have been and are making measureable progress toward our goal of winning in Iraq.

Let's look at our progress:
More of our soldiers and Iraqis getting killed.
Oil production and electricity is lower now than during Saddam's time
The borders are still open to more terrorists
Southern Iraq is being controlled and influenced by Iran
The situation between the Sunnis and Shia has not improved, but gotten worse with more killings in the government of their new democracy
The Kurds up north will not let other tribes in their area as soldiers

Winning in Iraq is nowhere to be seen, but Bushco is beginning to hint at withdrawing our troops before any "success" can be achieved

Foolishness. About 1/2 of the population thinks that we are going to lose in Iraq. That's way different that 'rooting' for us to lose in Iraq.

Saying that those who don't believe our little game in Iraq is going to work, are ' losers seeking to surround themselves at home with more losers like themselves' is insulting and just plain wrong. It doesn't describe the situation at all, really; just shows what to low regard you hold Peace advocates.

Cycloptichorn

How can we lose what we have already won? It may not turn in the Utopia originally envisioned, but the main objective was won in what? four weeks?

This is the same government that calls peace organizations "potential terrorists" while they investigate them vigorously.

To what ends, except to silence them.

If the main objective is complete, what exactly are we doing there these days?

I find it to be pretty funny that we've lost the vast majority of our forces for a secondary or tertiary objective.

Cycloptichorn

Won? What in the world are you talking about? Killings in Iraq are increasing dramatically. What kind of win is that?

The main objective was to reduce the risk posed by Saddam Hussein. Performing nation building in a hostile environment is a secondary objective. So, yes, we have lost the majority of our troops on secondary and tertiary efforts.

Things like protecting the populace from the insurgents and terrorists that call Iraq home now. Building schools and hospitals and getting an education and healthcare system working. Rebuilding a decrepid infrastructure. Securing the natural resources for the use of the new government. Forming the new government free from outside influences adn violence.

Though the killings have increased in numbers, they have decreased in frequency. Desperation by the bad guys will always result in the deaths of someone. If only they realized that the US does not back down to their threats...oh, wait, I mean to say that MOST of the US does not back down to terrorist threats. Many do back down and whine because others do not.

"Forming the new government without outside influence." ROFLMAO

So you think the increased killings and the decrease in frequency is a win? You lose on logic and common sense - again.

Just because it doesn't make sense to YOU, hardly qualifies as a loss.