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US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:13 am
Wilso, Ican is a broken recording. His mantra is the same, only the words change a little.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:27 am
Aww, come on, c.i.

He admitted two mistakes, on two separate issues, just one page back!

He did so in a very icanish way, but hey, whatever...


Very Happy
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:32 am
old europe, I noticed those admissions on mistakes made by ican, but refused to acknowledge them for the simple reason his message doesn't change as he moves forward.

His primary message on Iraq and Bush is the problem; even though many republicans are now questioning our presence in Iraq.
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old europe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 11:37 am
Yeah, in fact I wanted to remind ican that now, as he has gained some insights, he needed to change the message on his answering machine....

Wonder if that'd ever happen, though.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 07:02 pm
Wilso wrote:

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Whatever you're on, I want some. You're so disconnected from reality you may as well live on a different planet. Or maybe the daily casualty reports from the endless terrorist bombings is actually from mars. Rolling Eyes

ABSENT EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, your allegations are at best your baseless opinions, and at worst your compulsive fantasies.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 07:35 pm
Here's another person's opinion. It is an eyewitness's report.
What's in your head? What is it based on?

Distributed by American Committees on Foreign Relations, ACFR NewsGroup No. 637, Wednesday, November 30, 2005


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Our Troops Must Stay

By JOE LIEBERMAN
November 29, 2005; Page A18 Wall Street Journal


I have just returned from my fourth trip to Iraq in the past 17 months and can report real progress there. More work needs to be done, of course, but the Iraqi people are in reach of a watershed transformation from the primitive, killing tyranny of Saddam to modern, self-governing, self-securing nationhood -- unless the great American military that has given them and us this unexpected opportunity is prematurely withdrawn.


Progress is visible and practical. In the Kurdish North, there is continuing security and growing prosperity. The primarily Shiite South remains largely free of terrorism, receives much more electric power and other public services than it did under Saddam, and is experiencing greater economic activity. The Sunni triangle, geographically defined by Baghdad to the east, Tikrit to the north and Ramadi to the west, is where most of the terrorist enemy attacks occur. And yet here, too, there is progress.


There are many more cars on the streets, satellite television dishes on the roofs, and literally millions more cell phones in Iraqi hands than before. All of that says the Iraqi economy is growing. And Sunni candidates are actively campaigning for seats in the National Assembly. People are working their way toward a functioning society and economy in the midst of a very brutal, inhumane, sustained terrorist war against the civilian population and the Iraqi and American military there to protect it.


It is a war between 27 million and 10,000; 27 million Iraqis who want to live lives of freedom, opportunity and prosperity and roughly 10,000 terrorists who are either Saddam revanchists, Iraqi Islamic extremists or al Qaeda foreign fighters who know their wretched causes will be set back if Iraq becomes free and modern. The terrorists are intent on stopping this by instigating a civil war to produce the chaos that will allow Iraq to replace Afghanistan as the base for their fanatical war-making. We are fighting on the side of the 27 million because the outcome of this war is critically important to the security and freedom of America. If the terrorists win, they will be emboldened to strike us directly again and to further undermine the growing stability and progress in the Middle East, which has long been a major American national and economic security priority.

* * *


Before going to Iraq last week, I visited Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Israel has been the only genuine democracy in the region, but it is now getting some welcome company from the Iraqis and Palestinians who are in the midst of robust national legislative election campaigns, the Lebanese who have risen up in proud self-determination after the Hariri assassination to eject their Syrian occupiers (the Syrian- and Iranian-backed Hezbollah militias should be next), and the Kuwaitis, Egyptians and Saudis who have taken steps to open up their governments more broadly to their people. In my meeting with the thoughtful prime minister of Iraq, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, he declared with justifiable pride that his country now has the most open, democratic political system in the Arab world. He is right.


In the face of terrorist threats and escalating violence, eight million Iraqis voted for their interim national government in January, almost 10 million participated in the referendum on their new constitution in October, and even more than that are expected to vote in the elections for a full-term government on Dec. 15. Every time the 27 million Iraqis have been given the chance since Saddam was overthrown, they have voted for self-government and hope over the violence and hatred the 10,000 terrorists offer them. Most encouraging has been the behavior of the Sunni community, which, when disappointed by the proposed constitution, registered to vote and went to the polls instead of taking up arms and going to the streets. Last week, I was thrilled to see a vigorous political campaign, and a large number of independent television stations and newspapers covering it.


None of these remarkable changes would have happened without the coalition forces led by the U.S. And, I am convinced, almost all of the progress in Iraq and throughout the Middle East will be lost if those forces are withdrawn faster than the Iraqi military is capable of securing the country.


The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead.


Here is an ironic finding I brought back from Iraq. While U.S. public opinion polls show serious declines in support for the war and increasing pessimism about how it will end, polls conducted by Iraqis for Iraqi universities show increasing optimism. Two-thirds say they are better off than they were under Saddam, and a resounding 82% are confident their lives in Iraq will be better a year from now than they are today. What a colossal mistake it would be for America's bipartisan political leadership to choose this moment in history to lose its will and, in the famous phrase, to seize defeat from the jaws of the coming victory.


The leaders of America's military and diplomatic forces in Iraq, Gen. George Casey and Ambassador Zal Khalilzad, have a clear and compelling vision of our mission there. It is to create the environment in which Iraqi democracy, security and prosperity can take hold and the Iraqis themselves can defend their political progress against those 10,000 terrorists who would take it from them.

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Does America have a good plan for doing this, a strategy for victory in Iraq? Yes we do. And it is important to make it clear to the American people that the plan has not remained stubbornly still but has changed over the years. Mistakes, some of them big, were made after Saddam was removed, and no one who supports the war should hesitate to admit that; but we have learned from those mistakes and, in characteristic American fashion, from what has worked and not worked on the ground. The administration's recent use of the banner "clear, hold and build" accurately describes the strategy as I saw it being implemented last week.


We are now embedding a core of coalition forces in every Iraqi fighting unit, which makes each unit more effective and acts as a multiplier of our forces. Progress in "clearing" and "holding" is being made. The Sixth Infantry Division of the Iraqi Security Forces now controls and polices more than one-third of Baghdad on its own. Coalition and Iraqi forces have together cleared the previously terrorist-controlled cities of Fallujah, Mosul and Tal Afar, and most of the border with Syria. Those areas are now being "held" secure by the Iraqi military themselves. Iraqi and coalition forces are jointly carrying out a mission to clear Ramadi, now the most dangerous city in Al-Anbar province at the west end of the Sunni Triangle.


Nationwide, American military leaders estimate that about one-third of the approximately 100,000 members of the Iraqi military are able to "lead the fight" themselves with logistical support from the U.S., and that that number should double by next year. If that happens, American military forces could begin a drawdown in numbers proportional to the increasing self-sufficiency of the Iraqi forces in 2006. If all goes well, I believe we can have a much smaller American military presence there by the end of 2006 or in 2007, but it is also likely that our presence will need to be significant in Iraq or nearby for years to come.


The economic reconstruction of Iraq has gone slower than it should have, and too much money has been wasted or stolen. Ambassador Khalilzad is now implementing reform that has worked in Afghanistan -- Provincial Reconstruction Teams, composed of American economic and political experts, working in partnership in each of Iraq's 18 provinces with its elected leadership, civil service and the private sector. That is the "build" part of the "clear, hold and build" strategy, and so is the work American and international teams are doing to professionalize national and provincial governmental agencies in Iraq.


These are new ideas that are working and changing the reality on the ground, which is undoubtedly why the Iraqi people are optimistic about their future -- and why the American people should be, too.

* * *


I cannot say enough about the U.S. Army and Marines who are carrying most of the fight for us in Iraq. They are courageous, smart, effective, innovative, very honorable and very proud. After a Thanksgiving meal with a great group of Marines at Camp Fallujah in western Iraq, I asked their commander whether the morale of his troops had been hurt by the growing public dissent in America over the war in Iraq. His answer was insightful, instructive and inspirational: "I would guess that if the opposition and division at home go on a lot longer and get a lot deeper it might have some effect, but, Senator, my Marines are motivated by their devotion to each other and the cause, not by political debates."


Thank you, General. That is a powerful, needed message for the rest of America and its political leadership at this critical moment in our nation's history. Semper Fi.
Mr. Lieberman is a Democratic senator from Connecticut.


"I would guess that if the opposition and
division at home go on a lot longer and

get a lot deeper it might have some
effect, but, Senator, my Marines are

motivated by their devotion to each other
and the cause, not by political debates."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 07:51 pm
"The leaders of Iraq's duly elected government understand this, and they asked me for reassurance about America's commitment. The question is whether the American people and enough of their representatives in Congress from both parties understand this. I am disappointed by Democrats who are more focused on how President Bush took America into the war in Iraq almost three years ago, and by Republicans who are more worried about whether the war will bring them down in next November's elections, than they are concerned about how we continue the progress in Iraq in the months and years ahead."

As one voice, JL doesn't have the power or influence to change what's going on with the dems or the republicans.

His views are only opinions based on his very limited observations and contacts, probably shielded to the gills.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:08 pm
Here's another person's opinion.
What's in your head? What is it based on?

Distributed by American Committees on Foreign Relations, ACFR NewsGroup No. 637, Wednesday, November 30, 2005.

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Iraqi Cauldron
BY NIBRAS KAZIMI
November 29, 2005
http://www.nysun.com/article/23688

Three ingredients are necessary for failure in Iraq, and all three are being poured into the bubbling cauldron that is Baghdad at this very moment. The recipe includes Ba'athists believing that they have been given a seat at the table and thus have achieved a prelude to total victory, and the Islamists supposing that if they cinch these next elections, then they will get their theocracy. The third element is the cowardice of Washington offset by the bravery of American warriors, but we'll get to that later.

The Cairo conference last week - where warring Iraqi factions were supposed to reconcile - was an unmitigated disaster. In an attempt to isolate the jihadists, America has uneasily embraced the Ba'athists it defeated on April 9, 2003, when Baghdad was liberated. The moral high ground has been ceded: as I had warned back in June, the "honorable resistance" is now the acceptable term among the Iraqi political elite for those who attack American soldiers. The American military command in Iraq is now using the term "rejectionists" and not terrorists to describe those who lob rocket propelled grenades at America humvees.

Therefore, those waging the insurgency for the past two and a half years walked away from Cairo feeling vindicated by victory. They had humbled the greatest power on earth; now keeling over in order to placate them. The murder of American forces - the same forces that defeated the Ba'athist regime - is now warranted and legitimized. But there's a caveat that the Ba'athists did not mention: they no longer control the insurgency, nor can they effectively put it out. Zarqawi and his league of jihadists hold sway and have done so for several months, and whatever amount of deference the American cough up to the Ba'athists will not halt the murderous onslaught.

The Ba'athists are indeed doing well in delivering body-blows to Iraqi democracy, but the Islamists just one-upped them. After an abysmal run in office over the last eight months, their prospects for another landslide victory in the December elections were very slim - until yesterday that is. A source close to Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani's "political office" has confirmed to me in a phone interview from Baghdad on Sunday afternoon that Muhammed Ridha Sistani, the ayatollah's son, has instructed his father's aides to put out the word to the faithful to vote for the United Iraqi Alliance list, headed by the likes of Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq's Abdel-Aziz Al-Hakim and current Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari. Whereas in the last elections the UIA list (also backed by Sistani then) contained a large number of secular Shia democrats, this time around it is a wholly fundamentalist list, subservient to strong Iranian influence.

The Iranians have been doing feverish polling around Iraq, and they concluded that their acolytes in the UIA list were in trouble. Somehow, they struck a deal with Muhammad Ridha, a diminutive busy-body who is also exceedingly ambitious, and the only person who could resurrect their political prospects. His message - delivered over the course of last week to Sistani's representatives across Iraq - was "tell the people to vote for Islamist lists, and then tell them not to vote for small or marginal lists, to forestall the fragmentation or dissipation of the Shia vote." This will be perceived by the Iraqi public as a de facto fatwa from Sistani in favor of the UIA list.

I've also been hearing that the Iranian leadership, and specifically the Revolutionary Guard puppet masters who are back in total control, have decided to change their policy visa-vis Iraq. They no longer want to strike a deal for better relations with the Americans; with oil prices so high, they feel that they can splurge on belatedly finding their revolutionary roots as their regime undergoes a mid-life crisis. They now believe that they can turn Iraq, or at least the Shia part of it, into a sister Islamic Republic. They have concluded that America will run away from Iraq, and all they need to do is get their militias ready and willing to take over in the aftermath.

Meanwhile in Washington, there is also a policy shift of sorts. Remember President Bush's Inaugural Address last January? Remember when he said all those things about democracy and freedom? And how it was America's mission to bring liberty to the Middle East?

Well, apparently, the State Department has decided that the ceiling for these goals is too high and that America should aim lower as it tries to rebuild places like Iraq and Afghanistan. What they are really saying is that the bad guys are winning and that in any case democracy is too difficult of a concept for these Middle Easterners; the best that can be hoped for is that they stop clobbering each other to death. And of course, they couldn't call this new policy "Shameful Cowardice" - because that would just be too obvious - so they went with "Locally-Led Nascent Peace," a power-point presentation coming to a briefing room near you.

There is an all-out mutiny against Mr. Bush among the middling ranks of State and CIA bureaucrats. For several decades, those dealing with the Middle East invariably plugged into a complex matrix of oil and arms companies, academic circles, and play-it-safe careerists to give us the conventional wisdom: stability is good, change is bad. The mantra went unchallenged until September 11, 2001, when things had to change. For a brief period of time, these bureaucracies were caught off guard, but now they are trying to restore their past knee-jerk instincts. They have a government-in-exile consisting of the likes of Scowcroft, Tenet and Powell as well as fellow travelers in the left-leaning press, and there is a venal synergy to embarrass President Bush and the neo-conservative for attempting to change how things usually get done.

The prospect of an embattled White House caving in on its own self and grasping at any "exit" strategy, no matter how damaging, is saddening. The risk is that the White House will reach a deal with either the Ba'athists or the Islamists and settle for yet another generic Middle Eastern autocracy, or "mullah-cracy," or whatever emerges from the frothy stew. So instead of "ma'am, your son gave his life for Operation Enduring Freedom," the headstones in Arlington National Cemetery would be etched with the words "Operation Locally-Led Nascent Peace."

And what would they say to all those Iraqis who are braving all sorts of dangers to make it to the ballot box? "Your little elections don't matter as much as our midterm gubernatorial elections next year; after all, it's going to be a tight race for governor of Rhode Island."

Listen here, President Bush: now is not the time to recalibrate objectives away from democracy. Now is the time to focus: drive home the message to the Ba'athists that they have been defeated and that no amount of improvised explosive devices will change that fact. Tell the Iranians that should they choose to step on your toes then not only will their nuclear weapons facilities be blown to smithereens but so will their power and sewage plants; let's see how popular their belligerency would sound to the run-of-the-mill Iranian then. And for heaven's sake, curb those mutineers who are undermining the policy and morale of your administration.

Domestic press and political sniping may sting, but history will be unflinchingly cruel to your legacy should it involve wavering on Iraq's democracy. Too much is at stake, not to mention too many lives.


Mr. Kazimi is an Iraqi writer living in Washington, D.C. He can be contacted at
[email protected]

"Listen here, President Bush: now is not the time to recalibrate objectives away from democracy. Now is the time to focus: drive home the message to the Ba'athists that they have been defeated and that no
amount of improvised explosive devices will change that fact. Tell the Iranians that should they choose to step on your toes then not only will their nuclear weapons facilities be blown to smithereens but so will their power and sewage plants; let's see how popular their belligerency would sound to the run-of-the-mill Iranian then. And for heaven's sake, curb those mutineers who are undermining the policy and morale of your administration."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:25 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:

As one voice, JL doesn't have the power or influence to change what's going on with the dems or the republicans.

How do you know Lieberman "doesn't have the power or influence to change what's going on?"

cicerone imposter wrote:

His views are only opinions based on his very limited observations and contacts, probably shielded to the gills.

How do you know Lieberman's "views are only opinions based on his very limited observations and contacts?"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:30 pm
National Intelligence Estimate provides bleak assessment of Iraq security
- KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, September 15, 2004


(09-15) 22:55 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The National Intelligence Council presented President Bush this summer with several pessimistic scenarios regarding the security situation in Iraq, including the possibility of a civil war there before the end of 2005.

In a highly classified National Intelligence Estimate, the council looked at the political, economic and security situation in the war-torn country and determined that -- at best -- stability in Iraq would be tenuous, a U.S. official said late Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

At worst, the official said, were "trend lines that would point to a civil war." The official said it "would be fair" to call the document "pessimistic."

The intelligence estimate, which was prepared for Bush, considered the window of time between July and the end of 2005. But the official noted that the document draws on intelligence community assessments from January 2003, before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and the subsequent deteriorating security situation there.

This latest assessment was performed by the National Intelligence Council, a group of senior intelligence officials that provides long-term strategic thinking for the entire U.S. intelligence community.

Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin and the leaders of the other intelligence agencies approved the intelligence document, which runs about 50 pages.

The estimate appears to differ from the public comments of Bush and his senior aides who speak more optimistically about the prospects for a peaceful and free Iraq. "We're making progress on the ground," Bush said at his Texas ranch late last month.

A CIA spokesman declined to comment Wednesday night.

The document was first reported by The New York Times on its Web site Wednesday night.

It is the first formal assessment of Iraq since the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on the threat posed by fallen Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

A scathing review of that estimate released this summer by the Senate Intelligence Committee found widespread intelligence failures that led to faulty assumptions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Disclosure of the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq came the same day that Senate Republicans and Democrats denounced the Bush administration's slow progress in rebuilding Iraq, saying the risks of failure are great if it doesn't act with greater urgency.

"It's beyond pitiful, it's beyond embarrassing, it's now in the zone of dangerous," said Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., referring to figures showing only about 6 percent of the reconstruction money approved by Congress last year has been spent.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee members vented their frustrations at a hearing during which State Department officials explained the administration's request to divert $3.46 billion in reconstruction funds to security and economic development. The money was part of the $18.4 billion approved by Congress last year, mostly for public works projects.

The request comes as heavy fighting continues between U.S.-led forces and Iraqi insurgents, endangering prospects for elections scheduled for January.

"We know that the provision of adequate security up front is requisite to rapid progress on all other fronts," Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Ron Schlicher said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said circumstances in Iraq have changed since last year. "It's important that you have some flexibility."

Hagel, Committee Chairman Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and other committee members have long argued -- even before the war -- that administration plans for rebuilding Iraq were inadequate and based on overly optimistic assumptions that Americans would be greeted as liberators.

But the criticism from the panel's top Republicans had an extra sting coming less than seven weeks before the U.S. presidential election in which Bush's handling of the war is a top issue.

"Our committee heard blindly optimistic people from the administration prior to the war and people outside the administration -- what I call the 'dancing in the street crowd' -- that we just simply will be greeted with open arms," Lugar said. "The nonsense of all of that is apparent. The lack of planning is apparent."

He said the need to shift the reconstruction funds was clear in July, but the administration was slow to make the request.

State Department officials stressed areas of progress in Iraq since the United States turned over political control of Iraq to an interim government on June 28. They cited advances in generating electricity, producing oil and creating jobs.



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Associated Press Writer Ken Guggenheim contributed to this report.

URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/09/15/national2339EDT0866.DTL
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:32 pm
Here is another opinion.

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Al-Zarqawi: al Qaeda's Second Generation by Jordanian journalist, Fouad Hussein.

Al Qaeda's seven phase plan for world conquest:

Phase 1, the "wakeup call." Spectacular terrorist attacks on the West get the infidels to make war on Islamic nations. This arouses Moslems, and causes them to flock to al Qaedas banner. This phase is complete.

Phase 2, the "eye opening." Al Qaeda does battle with the infidels, and shows over a billion Moslems how it's done. This phase to be completed by next year.

Phase 3, "the rising." Millions of aroused Moslems go to war against Islam's enemies for the rest of the decade. Especially heavy attacks are made against Israel. It is believed that major damage in Israel will force the world to acknowledge al Qaeda as a major power, and negotiate with it.

Phase 4, "the downfall." By 2013, al Qaeda will control the Persian Gulf, and all its oil, as well as most of the Middle East. This will enable al Qaeda to cripple the American economy, and American military power.

Phase 5, "the Caliphate." By 2016, the Caliphate (i.e., one government for all Moslem nations) will be established. At this point, nearly all Western cultural influences will be eliminated from Islamic nations. The Caliphate will organize a mighty army for the next phase.

Phase 6, "world conquest." By 2022, the rest of the world will be conquered by the righteous and unstoppable armies of Islam. This is the phase that Osama bin Laden has been talking about for years.

Phase 7, "final victory." All the world's inhabitants will be forced to either convert to Islam, or submit to Islamic rule. To be completed by 2025.


What would you rather happen? What would you advise be done to make it happen?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:40 pm
November 15, 2005
The Road from Fallujah to Amman By Yamin Zakaria Nov 14, 2005, 07:18


"Phosphorus burns bodies, in fact it melts the flesh all the way down to the bone ... I saw the burned bodies of women and children. Phosphorus explodes and forms a cloud. Anyone within a radius of 150 metres is done for."

(Testimony of a former US Marine who fought in Fallujah)


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So, where is the outrage? The country that keeps lecturing about WMDs actually used them in Iraq, and previously in Japan and Vietnam. Fallujah, the city of Mosques, was attacked with chemical weapons, around 1000 civilians were murdered indiscriminately; - the US clearly committed war crimes. Other credible reports suggested that the US also used Napalm in Baghdad, during the initial phase of the war.

Regardless of how damming the evidences are, George Bush and his henchmen will never face a war crimes charge, which is only reserved for the opponents of the west. International laws are applied selectively like any apartheid or imperialist system. The rich and powerful nations make, apply and break those international laws for their own benefit; the poorer and weaker nations are forced to obey the laws, if they break it, they pay a heavy fine.

This recent revelation of using chemical weapons in Fallujah roughly coincided with the hotel bombings in Amman, killing 57 people. Like Abu-Ghraib, the world eventually learnt this truth about Fallujah and the Iraqis knew about this all along being the victims. The "embedded" media was certainly not going to report this even if they saw it with their own eyes - that is why they are "embedded". Damming evidence of chemical weapons was composed from: pictures, eye witness accounts, testimony form Iraqi doctors and the testimony of a former US soldier who actually took part in the attack on Fallujah. It was broadcasted in a documentary titled: Fallujah: the Hidden Massacre by RAI, the Italian state broadcaster.

The former US soldier in the documentary also testified that before they entered Fallujah, they were told anything moving or breathing is a legitimate target. And given that 100,000 plus civilians have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, we still hear claims that the coalition forces do not target civilians indiscriminately. Similarly we keep hearing that the US does not torture prisoners, despite clear evidences from Camp-X-Ray, Abu-Ghraib, Bagram, and other secret prisons, which we know the US has in various countries around the world.

In the eyes of the mass media, the monumental hypocrisy of the US using chemical weapons (WMD) destroying an entire city, killing 100s of civilians, seems far less worthy of media coverage than the hotel bombings in Amman where 57 people were killed. You see, this clear proof that the media does not have to be embedded to function like the embedded media! Media coverage became so twisted, that you would think the bombers exclusively targeted the Jordanian wedding party in the hotel.

All the "innocent" Jordanians and Muslims were genuine collateral damages as they were clearly not the intended target. If the bombers target was the ordinary Jordanians, they would have attacked places like the Mosques and the markets. But what would be the motive? Those luxury hotels are a symbol of inequity in Jordan, only the rich elites use them, otherwise they are occupied by Westerners. The bombers were targeting the mercenaries; those human vultures call themselves contractors, they are feeding on the blood and oil of Iraq. Also there are the Zionists, Prostitutes, Iraqi collaborators, autocratic Arab officials and intelligent officers usually occupying those types of hotels.

Now contrast the recent media coverage given to wedding party caught in the Amman bombings, with the many wedding parties in Iraq and Afghanistan bombed by the US forces. I do not recall seeing one interview of the survivors, expressing their grief and anger. The only media coverage given is regurgitating the Pentagon officialÂ's lines: that the victims were all collateral damages as the US forces were only hunting the insurgents. Meaning that the US forces could not tell the difference between unarmed women, children and men in wedding celebration and the Mujahideen with bullet proof jackets, RPGS ready for combat!

After the Amman bombings, handful of people started to demonstrate against the ubiquitous Musab Al-Zarqawi. Clearly, it was not a mass demonstration of hundreds of thousands; in fact just their appearance indicated that it was all staged by the Amman authorities. The demonstrators were carrying pictures of the King who is hated by most of the ordinary Arab masses; and the spontaneity of the demonstration suggested that it did not require the usual approval from the authority.

Consider also this - over 90% of the Jordanians opposed the war in Iraq, but their unelected King sided with the Americans, so much for building democracy in the region. This is another clear proof that the Muslim masses are unrepresented. Hence, the absence of the masses in the demonstration is understandable as they see the bombings as a direct consequence of Jordan's role in the Iraq war.

Amman bombings generated a staged demonstration, where as the revelation of chemical weapons used in Fallujah, like post Abu-Ghraib generated a silent anger, ready to explode at some point in the future. It is now fact, that the only WMDs in Iraq were the ones used by the US forces. So the US must concede that it too can be subjected to chemical attacks, similarly the actions of Camp-X-Ray and Abu-Ghraib, means their citizens taken prisoners can be tortured, incarcerated and executed.

Hypocrisy is not a problem when "might is right" is the policy, and drunk with imperial arrogance, none of the Western countries even blinked at the exposure of this monumental hypocrisy that Iraq was subjected to chemical weapons. The UN Muppet Kofi Anan took no note, instead he is busy lecturing Syria and Iran on behalf of US and Israel, while the US and Israel prepare for an attack and they are already committing illegal incursion into Syrian and Iranian air space to intimidate them. Silence of the west is understandable but why are the Arab/Muslim regimes also silent on the war crimes and terrorism committed in Fallujah. From Mubarak to Musharraf, they are mute and the only time they exercise their vocal chords is in condemning retaliation. This is another stark reminder that the Muslim masses have no representation at the political level.

The events also coincided with the US Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice's visiting the region. She is known to be a democracy-builder. But she is not interested in hearing the voices of the ordinary Arabs/Muslims who opposes the war overwhelmingly and she is even less interested in seeing that they get represented. First step in building democracy in the region is not to see mass representation, but mass manipulation, imposing democracy from top down. Condoleeza Rice is trying to be "whiter than white", acting like a public relations officer on behalf of the slave owners, attempting to sell the idea of slavery to the blacks in Africa, Alabama and Mississippi; if diplomacy fails, force will be used to shove it down their throats.

The link between Iraq-war and the bombings in Amman is obvious, as all the bombers are known to be Iraqis. Indeed, how can you expect to be secure when you violate the security of others? Jordan, like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain has been used as a launching pad for the war. Many of the collaborators are trained to fight alongside U.S. troops in Jordan. Jordan is also suspected of providing the US with intelligence and support for the elite forces of the U.S. to attack cities like Tal Afar, Qaim, Karabila, Haditha and Husayba, as they had done earlier with Fallujah.

Thus, the Iraqis will naturally attack those centres in those neighbouring countries that are known to be aiding the war. Also the onus is on the Jordanians masses to avoid such places frequented by Americans and Iraqi collaborators. There is a war going on and the Jordanian government is a party to this war. The masses should be forcing their government to retreat from supporting the US-led war in Iraq. The other nations who have aided the US in this war, should now remember, the road from Fallujah to Amman has been opened, which in turn can lead to other destinations like Riyadh, Tokyo, Bucharest, Warsaw, Sofia and Tel Aviv.

Yamin Zakaria (www.iiop.org)

London, UK

Copyright © 2005 by Yamin Zakaria (14th November, 2005)



-- (November 15, 2005) on Chemical Weapons Used in Fallujah
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:44 pm
Emphasis added by me.
cicerone imposter wrote:
National Intelligence Estimate provides bleak assessment of Iraq security
- KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, September 15, 2004


(09-15) 22:55 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The National Intelligence Council presented President Bush this summer with several pessimistic scenarios regarding the security situation in Iraq, including the possibility of a civil war there before the end of 2005.
...

State Department officials stressed areas of progress in Iraq since the United States turned over political control of Iraq to an interim government on June 28. They cited advances in generating electricity, producing oil and creating jobs.
...

This alleged intelligence report and forecast is over a year old. Let's see how things actually turn out by January 1, 2006. Assuming this report and forecast (excluding what the State department stressed) are valid what do you recommend be done differently?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 08:57 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
November 15, 2005
The Road from Fallujah to Amman By Yamin Zakaria Nov 14, 2005, 07:18

...


You posted an article about our ruthless combat treatment of the al Qaeda et al malignancy, but didn't answer my questions. I'll try again.

The Price of USA failure in Iraq:

Quote:
Al-Zarqawi: al Qaeda's Second Generation by Jordanian journalist, Fouad Hussein.

Al Qaeda's seven phase plan for world conquest:

Phase 1, the "wakeup call." Spectacular terrorist attacks on the West get the infidels to make war on Islamic nations. This arouses Moslems, and causes them to flock to al Qaedas banner. This phase is complete.

Phase 2, the "eye opening." Al Qaeda does battle with the infidels, and shows over a billion Moslems how it's done. This phase to be completed by next year.

Phase 3, "the rising." Millions of aroused Moslems go to war against Islam's enemies for the rest of the decade. Especially heavy attacks are made against Israel. It is believed that major damage in Israel will force the world to acknowledge al Qaeda as a major power, and negotiate with it.

Phase 4, "the downfall." By 2013, al Qaeda will control the Persian Gulf, and all its oil, as well as most of the Middle East. This will enable al Qaeda to cripple the American economy, and American military power.

Phase 5, "the Caliphate." By 2016, the Caliphate (i.e., one government for all Moslem nations) will be established. At this point, nearly all Western cultural influences will be eliminated from Islamic nations. The Caliphate will organize a mighty army for the next phase.

Phase 6, "world conquest." By 2022, the rest of the world will be conquered by the righteous and unstoppable armies of Islam. This is the phase that Osama bin Laden has been talking about for years.

Phase 7, "final victory." All the world's inhabitants will be forced to either convert to Islam, or submit to Islamic rule. To be completed by 2025.



What would you rather happen? What would you advise be done to make it happen?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 29 Nov, 2005 09:50 pm
What I would rather happen is not worth the print. As for advise, all we can see is how this administration botched everything they did thus far from not following the advise of experts.

You probably don't the see the carnage, but many of us do. What is obvious to many of us is the high cost of this war in both life and treasure.

I do not believe for a moment that Americans have the stomach to prolong this travesty for 3-4 more years.

What I want personally is PEACE.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 02:48 am
Peace is not going to happen while ever there are two branches of Islam in that country. The US administration is simply too stupid to see that.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 07:26 am
Suppose we had found every form of WMD we suspected in Iraq ..... how could our military position have turned out any differently?
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 07:59 am
ican711nm wrote:
Emphasis added by me.
cicerone imposter wrote:
National Intelligence Estimate provides bleak assessment of Iraq security
- KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER, Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, September 15, 2004


(09-15) 22:55 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The National Intelligence Council presented President Bush this summer with several pessimistic scenarios regarding the security situation in Iraq, including the possibility of a civil war there before the end of 2005.
...

State Department officials stressed areas of progress in Iraq since the United States turned over political control of Iraq to an interim government on June 28. They cited advances in generating electricity, producing oil and creating jobs.
...

This alleged intelligence report and forecast is over a year old. Let's see how things actually turn out by January 1, 2006. Assuming this report and forecast (excluding what the State department stressed) are valid what do you recommend be done differently?


Fine, Ican, lets see how things stand on Janurary 1,2006. Do you expect to see a great deal of improvement in terms of security and the insurgency?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 11:26 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
What I would rather happen is not worth the print.
...
What I want personally is PEACE.


Wanting peace does not itself alone beget peace. Wanting peace itself alone has never begotten peace. Your unwillingness or inability -- it's difficult to tell which is the key factor -- to discuss what you would rather happen to obtain peace is a puzzle to me.

Your apparent intense concern regarding USA's failure to fully abide by the Geneva Conventions in combat with, and in incarceration of, these people who daily scorn the Geneva Conventions by violating it when they murder or abet the murder of civilians and their prisoners, is also a puzzle to me. One would think that every adult understands that such ongoing demonstrated concern for these violators like yours encourages such violators to violate all the more. One of the many things required to stem these violations is to make it clear to these violators that their violations sacrifice all of their entitlement to humane treatment as long as they persist in such violations. The USA military made that clear in Fallujah when it aided removal of all civilians from Fallujah, before attacking the violators that chose to remain.

So you want peace. Well isn't that lovely of you. But what dear sir are you willing to do to to help earn it? Is it, as it appears, you only want to heap scorn upon those who ignore your disapproval, and risk their lives and property to obtain peace?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 30 Nov, 2005 11:35 am
revel wrote:

...
Fine, Ican, lets see how things stand on Janurary 1, 2006. Do you expect to see a great deal of improvement in terms of security and the insurgency?


I expect to see a continuation of measureable improvements. Whether you or others will perceive such measureable improvements to be "a great deal of improvement" or miniscule improvement remains to be seen. A functioning democratically elected Iraq government is one such measureable improvement. Continuation of improvement in infrastructure is another example of measureable improvement. Continuation in the number of Iraq military capable of securing its government is still another measureable improvement.
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