US AND THEM: US, UN & Iraq, version 8.0

DTOM, When I see ican's name on a post, I just scroll through 99 percent of them. One can read "malignancy" just so often before it gets tiresome. .

Ive not seen headlines mct

where did you get this story?

and I bought the indy and grauniad today...

If you were among those who insisted upon the impeachment of Bill Clinton for telling lies about his sexual peccadilloes, what about a president whose lies are far more destructive of the lives and liberties of people, not to mention the civilization that has been mortally wounded? For those who, in the Clinton years, expressed concern about “moral values,” the ball is now in your court. There is nothing more at stake than the wholeness of your character and the nature of the world you are to leave to your children.
September 26, 2005
Butler Shaffer [send him e-mail] teaches at the Southwestern University School of Law.

The Iraq Liberation Act
October 31, 1998
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
October 31, 1998
STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT
Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.

Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are: The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

On October 21, 1998, I signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance to the Iraqi democratic opposition. This assistance is intended to help the democratic opposition unify, work together more effectively, and articulate the aspirations of the Iraqi people for a pluralistic, participa--tory political system that will include all of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious groups. As required by the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY 1998 (Public Law 105-174), the Department of State submitted a report to the Congress on plans to establish a program to support the democratic opposition. My Administration, as required by that statute, has also begun to implement a program to compile information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to justice those directly responsible for such acts.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 provides additional, discretionary authorities under which my Administration can act to further the objectives I outlined above. There are, of course, other important elements of U.S. policy. These include the maintenance of U.N. Security Council support efforts to eliminate Iraq's weapons and missile programs and economic sanctions that continue to deny the regime the means to reconstitute those threats to international peace and security. United States support for the Iraqi opposition will be carried out consistent with those policy objectives as well. Similarly, U.S. support must be attuned to what the opposition can effectively make use of as it develops over time. With those observations, I sign H.R. 4655 into law.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
October 31, 1998.
www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/libera.htm

www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm

The Clinton administration was facing the possibility of major combat operations against Iraq. Since 1996, the UN inspections regime had been increasingly obstructed by Saddam Hussein. The United States was threatening to attack unless unfettered inspections could resume. The Clinton administration eventually launched a large-scale set of air strikes against Iraq. Operation Desert Fox, in December 1998. These military commitments became the context in which the Clinton administration had to consider opening another front of military engagement against a new terrorist threat based in Afghanistan.

ican711nm wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

just wait. the phrase "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is gonna come up.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here you made that phrase come up all by yourself.

Malignancy Advocates Apologists and Defenders (MAAD), while refusing to acknowledge what they themselves are actually doing, blame others for the horrific crimes committed by malignancy.

I blame the deaths of civilians and innocents in Iraq on the fact that an occupying force has been dropping bombs and firing bullets at them.

McTag wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

just wait. the phrase "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is gonna come up.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here you made that phrase come up all by yourself.

Malignancy Advocates Apologists and Defenders (MAAD), while refusing to acknowledge what they themselves are actually doing, blame others for the horrific crimes committed by malignancy.

I blame the deaths of civilians and innocents in Iraq on the fact that an occupying force has been dropping bombs and firing bullets at them.

You and the rest of the MAAD and TOMNOM not withstanding, the murderers of Iraqi civilians and innocents are the malignancy.

If the malignancy were to stop murdering Iraqi civilians and innocents, the US and British military would be asked by the Iraqi government to leave, and the US and British military would be happy to leave.

Walter Wolfgang: 'We have been lied to about the war. I dared to speak the truth'

By Walter Wolfgang
Published: 30 September 2005

My case is not important. But what happened to me when I was ejected from the Labour conference - simply for a one-word protest during Jack Straw's speech this week - tells us there is something deeply wrong with the culture of our Government under Tony Blair.

We have been lied to about the war. But not only that. The party has been manipulated so that it has not been allowed to discuss the issue properly.

Indeed, the Labour leaders have got so nervous of criticism that when I shouted the single word "nonsense"- when the Foreign Secretary sought to paper over the issue with smooth words - party officials sent the bouncers in. Even one word of criticism, it seems, was too much.

I had not intended to heckle, much less to make myself the centre of national attention and a debate about whether free speech still exists in the modern Labour Party. But Jack Straw spoke such nonsense - about Iraq, and about Kosovo - that it pushed me over the edge.

I could have said a lot more than that one word. I could have said that we should not have marched into Iraq at all. I could have said we were lied to about the war. But one word was enough. Even so I could not believe that stewards were bearing down on me just because I dared to speak the truth.

Tony Blair is the worst leader the Labour Party has ever had, Ramsay Macdonald included. Mr Blair's instincts are basically those of a Tory. He picked up this cause from the Americans without even analysing it. I suspect that he is too theatrical even to realise that he is lying.

There was no justification for the conflict in Iraq. It isn't only that there were no weapons of mass destruction. The war was simply unnecessary. It was done in support of the United States.

It has brought us to a turning point in history. When I was a child living in Germany in the late 1930s, with relatives who died in the concentration camps, things were very frightening. But the policy of the American government today frightens me too. And so does the attitude of the British Government.

Power corrupts, it is said, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. This is increasingly clear in our post-Cold War era. There is today only one superpower and therefore that superpower has to be restrained by the good advice of its allies. But what Tony Blair has done is the opposite. He has confirmed the prejudices of George Bush, making it much harder for a superpower to get out of its bad habits. We made a mistake by invading Iraq and we should recognise that. Now we have got to leave. Our continued presence in Iraq is part of the problem. It cannot be part of the solution. What has happened in Basra illustrates the mess we have got ourselves in. The situation is difficult enough without us making it more so. The best thing is to confine troops to barracks and having done so bring them home as soon as possible.

The hard truth is that the British people know that. The public - and the Labour Party in particular - are becoming increasingly convinced that we made a mistake going to war against Iraq. And that we are making an even bigger mistake in staying there. That is why some people at the conference this week lost their cool with my single word of criticism.

The party chairman Ian McCartney apologised to me afterwards. He invited me and Steve Forrest - the chap who was also thrown out for telling the bouncers to leave me alone - for a meal with him at the House of Commons some time. That was kind of him and I am happy to draw a line under the incident so far as I am personally concerned.

But the issue for the party is far from resolved. It was foolish to have a foreign policy session at a conference in which the most important issues we face - Iraq and whether we are going to have more nuclear weapons - were barely discussed.

Party leaders have increasingly controlled conference over the last few years. We used to have a very inclusive culture in the party. But New Labour has damaged that. We must reclaim it before it is too late.

Walter Wolfgang: The peace campaigner

The man who was shaped by living in shadow of the Nazis

From Hitler's persecution of his race to the Vietnam War, from the atom bomb to the invasion of Iraq, Walter Wolfgang has spent seven decades opposing every threat he sees to civilised society.

Unsurprisingly, the pensioner, who as a Jewish teenager returned twice to Nazi Germany from the safety of Britain, was yesterday in no mood to be cowed by the "toughies" who dragged him yesterday from the Labour Party conference.

Friends of the 82-year-old retired accountant described him as a painstakingly polite man who nonetheless has "fire in his belly" when he perceives injustice, cruelty or just plain political stupidity.

He is a founding member of Britain's anti-nuclear movement and a veteran of five decades of anti-war protests, including a Sixties demonstration outside the American embassy in London when he was arrested.

John Cox, the vice-chairman of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, who has known Mr Wolfgang for almost 50 years, said: "Walter is not the sort who would want to be on the podium - he is an activist rather than a leader. But he has passionately held and defended the same principles all the time I've known him and he will speak up when he sees something that is wrong."

It is a steadfastness that has its roots in the Holocaust. Between 1937 and 1939, Mr Wolfgang returned to Frankfurt after his parents, Hermann and Erna, had sent him to London to flee the threat of Hitler.

It was only when his father was interned by the Nazis and he was himself briefly detained, that he and his family fled to the safety - and liberty - of Britain.

The family settled in Richmond and in 1943 moved to the flat where has lived ever since. But other relatives fell foul of the Holocaust. An aunt died in Auschwitz. He said: "I went back against the advice of a lot of people. I went there on holiday several times. When I went back there in 1938, I was held there for just a few hours and nearly did not get out again."

Cahal Milmo, Ben Russell and Terri Judd

My case is not important. But what happened to me when I was ejected from the Labour conference - simply for a one-word protest during Jack Straw's speech this week - tells us there is something deeply wrong with the culture of our Government under Tony Blair.

We have been lied to about the war. But not only that. The party has been manipulated so that it has not been allowed to discuss the issue properly.

Indeed, the Labour leaders have got so nervous of criticism that when I shouted the single word "nonsense"- when the Foreign Secretary sought to paper over the issue with smooth words - party officials sent the bouncers in. Even one word of criticism, it seems, was too much.

I had not intended to heckle, much less to make myself the centre of national attention and a debate about whether free speech still exists in the modern Labour Party. But Jack Straw spoke such nonsense - about Iraq, and about Kosovo - that it pushed me over the edge.

I could have said a lot more than that one word. I could have said that we should not have marched into Iraq at all. I could have said we were lied to about the war. But one word was enough. Even so I could not believe that stewards were bearing down on me just because I dared to speak the truth.

Tony Blair is the worst leader the Labour Party has ever had, Ramsay Macdonald included. Mr Blair's instincts are basically those of a Tory. He picked up this cause from the Americans without even analysing it. I suspect that he is too theatrical even to realise that he is lying.

There was no justification for the conflict in Iraq. It isn't only that there were no weapons of mass destruction. The war was simply unnecessary. It was done in support of the United States.

It has brought us to a turning point in history. When I was a child living in Germany in the late 1930s, with relatives who died in the concentration camps, things were very frightening. But the policy of the American government today frightens me too. And so does the attitude of the British Government.

Power corrupts, it is said, and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. This is increasingly clear in our post-Cold War era. There is today only one superpower and therefore that superpower has to be restrained by the good advice of its allies. But what Tony Blair has done is the opposite. He has confirmed the prejudices of George Bush, making it much harder for a superpower to get out of its bad habits. We made a mistake by invading Iraq and we should recognise that. Now we have got to leave. Our continued presence in Iraq is part of the problem. It cannot be part of the solution. What has happened in Basra illustrates the mess we have got ourselves in. The situation is difficult enough without us making it more so. The best thing is to confine troops to barracks and having done so bring them home as soon as possible.

The hard truth is that the British people know that. The public - and the Labour Party in particular - are becoming increasingly convinced that we made a mistake going to war against Iraq. And that we are making an even bigger mistake in staying there. That is why some people at the conference this week lost their cool with my single word of criticism.
The party chairman Ian McCartney apologised to me afterwards. He invited me and Steve Forrest - the chap who was also thrown out for telling the bouncers to leave me alone - for a meal with him at the House of Commons some time. That was kind of him and I am happy to draw a line under the incident so far as I am personally concerned.

But the issue for the party is far from resolved. It was foolish to have a foreign policy session at a conference in which the most important issues we face - Iraq and whether we are going to have more nuclear weapons - were barely discussed.

Party leaders have increasingly controlled conference over the last few years. We used to have a very inclusive culture in the party. But New Labour has damaged that. We must reclaim it before it is too late.

Walter Wolfgang: The peace campaigner

The man who was shaped by living in shadow of the Nazis

From Hitler's persecution of his race to the Vietnam War, from the atom bomb to the invasion of Iraq, Walter Wolfgang has spent seven decades opposing every threat he sees to civilised society.

Unsurprisingly, the pensioner, who as a Jewish teenager returned twice to Nazi Germany from the safety of Britain, was yesterday in no mood to be cowed by the "toughies" who dragged him yesterday from the Labour Party conference.

Friends of the 82-year-old retired accountant described him as a painstakingly polite man who nonetheless has "fire in his belly" when he perceives injustice, cruelty or just plain political stupidity.

He is a founding member of Britain's anti-nuclear movement and a veteran of five decades of anti-war protests, including a Sixties demonstration outside the American embassy in London when he was arrested.

John Cox, the vice-chairman of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, who has known Mr Wolfgang for almost 50 years, said: "Walter is not the sort who would want to be on the podium - he is an activist rather than a leader. But he has passionately held and defended the same principles all the time I've known him and he will speak up when he sees something that is wrong."

It is a steadfastness that has its roots in the Holocaust. Between 1937 and 1939, Mr Wolfgang returned to Frankfurt after his parents, Hermann and Erna, had sent him to London to flee the threat of Hitler.

It was only when his father was interned by the Nazis and he was himself briefly detained, that he and his family fled to the safety - and liberty - of Britain.

The family settled in Richmond and in 1943 moved to the flat where has lived ever since. But other relatives fell foul of the Holocaust. An aunt died in Auschwitz. He said: "I went back against the advice of a lot of people. I went there on holiday several times. When I went back there in 1938, I was held there for just a few hours and nearly did not get out again."

Cahal Milmo, Ben Russell and Terri Judd

Malignancy Advocates Apologists and Defenders (MAAD).

You and the rest of the MAAD and TOMNOM...

ican711nm wrote:

McTag wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

just wait. the phrase "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" is gonna come up.

This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Here you made that phrase come up all by yourself.

Malignancy Advocates Apologists and Defenders (MAAD), while refusing to acknowledge what they themselves are actually doing, blame others for the horrific crimes committed by malignancy.

I blame the deaths of civilians and innocents in Iraq on the fact that an occupying force has been dropping bombs and firing bullets at them.

You and the rest of the MAAD and TOMNOM not withstanding, the murderers of Iraqi civilians and innocents are the malignancy.

If the malignancy were to stop murdering Iraqi civilians and innocents, the US and British military would be asked by the Iraqi government to leave, and the US and British military would be happy to leave.

So the big new embassy/ administration complex and the military bases were built for nothing, nothing at all, and the US would be happy to leave Iraq and its oilfields if the Iraqi govenment were to ask. And leave all that American money and Iraqi oil behind. I see.

ican711nm wrote:

Malignancy Advocates Apologists and Defenders (MAAD).

ican711nm wrote:

You and the rest of the MAAD and TOMNOM...

this does not apply to me, so why don't ya drop it. you are behaving like one of the people that decides that if another person is against the war in iraq, they simply must love and adore the jihadists.

get a grip.

The media in Britain (especially) and all over the world have been full of reports about Walter Wolfgang, was hustled out of the conference hall by stewards after shouting out 'Nonsense!' during Home Secretary Jack Straw's speech on Iraq at the Labour Conference.

(82-year-old Jewish fugitive from Nazi Germany who lost family in the Holocaust, and a member of Labour since more than 40 years. Blair and others apologized meanwhile.[emphasis added by ican]=

Today, Wolfgang says in the 'We have been lied to about the war. I dared to speak the truth'

Yes, being such a long member of the Labour Party and seeing what happens now, this really can make someone unfortunate.