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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Tue 18 Aug, 2009 06:50 pm
@rosborne979,
Oh, biographies -- for sure!

"The Matrix" is a posit of an unthinkably large abstract computer that is actually God in the story. When they got to Part III, they had the audacity to try and explain, with Keanu as a Jesus figure, the design of the Universe. It was meant to be revelatory but ended up being baloney to make the viewers all warm and fuzzy. Also, just as perplexed as when it all began -- just like religion mixed with science is doing.
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spendius
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2009 01:13 pm
Arthur Schopenauer wrote-

Quote:
Faith and Knowledge. Philosophy, as a science, has nothing whatever(sic) to do with what should or may be believed, it has to do only with what can be known. If this should turn out to be something quite other than what one is supposed to believe that is no disadvantage even for the belief, since it is the nature of belief to teach what cannot be known. If it could be known, belief would be ludicrous and useless: it would be, for instance, as if one should propound a theory to be held by faith in the field of mathematics.

It can on the other hand, be objected that faith can teach more, much more, than philosophy: yet it can teach nothing which could be combined with the conclusion of philosophy, because knowledge is of a harder stuff than faith, so that when they collide the latter is shattered.

In any event, faith and knowledge are totally different things which for their mutual benefit have to be kept strictly separate, so that each goes its own way without paying the slightest attention to the other.


Which is a problem for schools and for those muddle-heads who think there can be a fudge.

Every anti-ID post is thus in the business of shattering belief and yet anti-IDers are not prepared to admit that and I suspect don't even want it if push comes to shove. One might expect the ACLU and the NCSE to come out and say so if only to show that they are not campaigning dishonestly.

farmerman
 
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Tue 25 Aug, 2009 05:52 pm
@spendius,
An " evolutionist" an "IDjit", a"YEC" and an "Aetheist scientist" all went on a boat fishing. ONLY two returned ,WHO WOULD THAT BE?


















































THe captain and the mate.
spendius
 
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Wed 26 Aug, 2009 05:37 pm
@farmerman,
What sex were they?
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farmerman
 
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Fri 28 Aug, 2009 05:04 am
The PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCHES, in Washington County, seem to be advertising about seminars about the "Truth of Creationism " .

I dont think Ill attend any becuase these guys up here arent as "fellowship oriented" as the PB sects in Pa and Maryland.


Other than the Evangelical churches playing the Creation Card, its pretty quiet up here in the soft light of the dying New ENgland Summer.
spendius
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2009 09:24 am
@farmerman,
The above post represents the anxious diligence with which the chastity of the gospel of atheism is guarded from the superstitious observances of public and private rites which are carelessly practiced from education and habit by the millions of the followers of established religions.

Each singular event which occurs, or seems to be advertised to be going to occur, affords the devout atheist an opportunity of declaring and confirming his or her zealous opposition to any ravishment of their purity. By such frequent protestations their attachment to their faith is continually fortified and, in proportion to the zeal, they combat with ardour in the holy war which they have undertaken against the empire of the superstitious.

The most zealous having an effect not dissimilar than hurling powder puffs at the Pyramid of Menkaure in the hope of blasting through to the Pyramid of Khafre.
farmerman
 
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Sun 30 Aug, 2009 11:21 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Each singular event which occurs, or seems to be advertised to be going to occur, affords the devout atheist an opportunity of declaring and confirming his or her zealous opposition to any ravishment of their purity. By such frequent protestations their attachment to their faith is continually fortified and, in proportion to the zeal, they combat with ardour in the holy war which they have undertaken against the empire of the superstitious.

You should spend more time in being precise and concise. Itd be waay more creative than the above referenced clabber. You should really try out for the Bullwar Lytton prose prize, youd be a shoo-in.
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rosborne979
 
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Fri 4 Sep, 2009 07:43 pm
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 4 Sep, 2009 08:16 pm
@rosborne979,
Sure it does' for the people who require some superpower that created this planet and universe.
farmerman
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 01:03 am
@rosborne979,
what underpins the turtle?
Lightwizard
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 05:47 am
@farmerman,
It's a famous Airbus Turtle. They'll go into passenger service this Fall. The "Creator" is hoping it will make the flying carpet obsolete!
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rosborne979
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 05:56 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
what underpins the turtle?

The turtle is supported by improbable, but not impossible, quantum fluctuations in vacuum energy, and other scientific sounding ****.
farmerman
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 06:17 am
@rosborne979,
if it would be purely math , it would be an imaginary foundation. Its like an improbability drive , just different.
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Lightwizard
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 06:33 am
@rosborne979,
You mean it's supported by a Hoover?
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spendius
 
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Sat 5 Sep, 2009 09:25 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Sure it does' for the people who require some superpower that created this planet and universe.


It would seem that people do require some superpower if history is any guide. I would imagine that a people which didn't require a superpower could never have created a world where it is possible to be sarcastic about people who require a superpower and to beam that literary clever-cloggery all around the world.

One individual laughing at people who require a superpower is totally dependent, even for life itself, on those people and the structures they have erected despite the obvious fact that the individual has this important knowledge on Ignore which allows him to evade questions about the orderly continuation of those structures in the event of nobody being left requiring some superpower or about how a people of the past which did not require a superpower ever got out of the bushes.

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spendius
 
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Thu 10 Sep, 2009 09:38 am
Quote:
We are born to believe in GodJonathan Leake and Andrew Sniderman.

ATHEISM really may be fighting against nature: humans have been hardwired by evolution to believe in God, scientists have suggested.

The idea has emerged from studies of the way children’s brains develop and of the workings of the brain during religious experiences. They suggest that during evolution groups of humans with religious tendencies began to benefit from their beliefs, perhaps because they tended to work together better and so stood a greater chance of survival.

The findings challenge campaigners against organised religion, such as Richard Dawkins, author of The God Delusion. He has long argued that religious beliefs result from poor education and childhood “indoctrination”.

Bruce Hood, professor of developmental psychology at Bristol University, believes the picture is more complex. “Our research shows children have a natural, intuitive way of reasoning that leads them to all kinds of supernatural beliefs about how the world works,” he said.

“As they grow up they overlay these beliefs with more rational approaches but the tendency to illogical supernatural beliefs remains as religion.”

Hood, who will present his findings at the British Science Association’s annual meeting this week, sees organised religion as just part of a spectrum of supernatural beliefs.

In one study he found even ardent atheists balked at the idea of accepting an organ transplant from a murderer, because of a superstitious belief that an individual’s personality could be stored in their organs. “This shows how superstition is hardwired into our brains,” he said.

His work is supported by other researchers who have found evidence linking religious feelings and experience to particular regions of the brain. They suggest people are programmed to get a feeling of spirituality from what is nothing more than electrical activity in these regions.

Andrew Newberg, professor of radiology at the University of Pennsylvania, has used brain-imaging techniques to show that such feelings are invoked by activity in “belief networks” operating across the brain. This supersedes the earlier concept of a “God spot”, activated during meditation or prayer.

“The temporal lobe interacts with many other parts of the brain to provide the full range of religious and spiritual experiences,” he said.

This mechanistic view of religious experience is reinforced by separate research carried out by Michael Persinger of Laurentian University, Ontario, who has used powerful magnetic fields to induce visions and spiritual experiences in volunteers.

Barbara Hagerty became one of Persinger’s subjects while researching Fingertips of God, a book on brain processes underlying religion. “I saw images and cartoonish figures. It didn’t convince me there was no God, but it did show me how much the brain is connected to our beliefs and perceptions,” she said.

Some researchers argue that humans’ innate tendency towards supernatural beliefs explains why many people become religious as adults, despite not having been brought up within any faith. Scientists believe that the durability of religion is in part because it helps people to bond.

Professor Pascal Boyer, an anthropologist at Washington University and author of Religion Explained, supports Hood’s view that the origins of religion may lie in common childhood experiences. In a recent article in Nature, the science journal, he said: “From childhood, humans form enduring and important social relationships with fictional characters, imaginary friends, deceased relatives, unseen heroes and fantasised mates.

“It is a small step from this to conceptualising spirits, dead ancestors and gods, who are neither visible nor tangible.” Boyer holds out little hope for atheism. “Religious thinking seems to be the path of least resistance for our cognitive systems,” he said. “By contrast, disbelief is generally the work of deliberate, effortful work against our natural cognitive dispositions " hardly the easiest ideology to propagate.”

The Rev Michael Reiss, who is professor of science education at London University’s Institute of Education and also an Anglican priest, said he saw no reason why such research should undermine religious belief.

“I am quite sure there will be a biological basis to religious faith,” Reiss said. “We are evolved creatures and the whole point about humanity is that we are rooted in the natural world.”


And I don't need any funded research to arrive at those conclusions. They are patently obvious. Pity the poor anti-IDer eh. Fancy deliberately engaging in effortful work against your natural cognitive dispositions.

Sheesh!!
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:14 pm
@Setanta,
New Charles Darwin film is 'too controversial' for religious American audiences


Quote:
A new British film about Charles Darwin has failed to land a distribution deal in the States because his theories on human evolution are too controversial for religious American audiences, according to the film's producer.

Creation follows the British naturalist's 'struggle between faith and reason' as he wrote his 1859 book, On The Origin Of The Species.

The film, directed by Jon Amielm was chosen to open the Toronto Film Festival and has now been sold to almost every territory in the world.


Quote:
But US distributors have turned down the film that could cause uproar in a country that, on the whole, dismisses scientific theories of the way we evolved.

Christian film review website Movieguide.org described Darwin as 'a racist, a bigot and a 1800s naturalist whose legacy is mass murder.'

The site also stated that his 'half-baked theory' influenced Adolf Hitler and led to 'atrocities, crimes against humanity, cloning and generic engineering.'

Jeremy Thomas, the Oscar-winning producer of Creation, said he was astonished that such attitudes exist 150 years after On The Origin of Species was published.

'That's what we're up against. In 2009. It's amazing,' he said.
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Naturalist: Charles Darwin

'The film has no distributor in America. It has got a deal everywhere else in the world but in the US, and it's because of what the film is about. People have been saying this is the best film they've seen all year, yet nobody in the US has picked it up.

'It is unbelievable to us that this is still a really hot potato in America. There's still a great belief that He made the world in six days.
spendius
 
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Sat 12 Sep, 2009 06:29 pm
@ehBeth,
Well- it does, according to scientists, avoid the work of deliberate, effortful work against our natural cognitive dispositions.

Some scientists say that sort of work makes cells go haywire. Not that I know mind you.

And anyway, your piece does include the phrase " according to the film's producer." We should start our thinking with that.
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rosborne979
 
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Sun 13 Sep, 2009 06:28 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

New Charles Darwin film is 'too controversial' for religious American audiences


Quote:
A new British film about Charles Darwin has failed to land a distribution deal in the States because his theories on human evolution are too controversial for religious American audiences, according to the film's producer.


Maybe the film's producer is wrong about why it didn't land a distribution deal. Maybe US distributors felt they couldn't make any money on it just because US Audiences wouldn't be interested enough in the subject material to go see it. Ben Stein's movie (Expelled) flopped too, but it's hard to say whether that was because the film was stupid or whether most people just didn't give a sh*t about the subject.
spendius
 
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Sun 13 Sep, 2009 08:38 am
@rosborne979,
ros implies that "most people" are the movers and shakers.

That is not the case except that there is a confused and complex choice made by "most people" at election times in which this issue is more or less settled in most people's minds.

It is a bit of a stretch to say that Mr Stein's film "flopped". It raised awareness in those sections of the population with an interest in the subject.

If it failed to make money that would only be a criteria for a "flop" in the one-track-mind of a crass, money-grubbing materialist of the Manchester School of capitalists and manufacturers to which Darwin was agnatically and erotically connected and which was content with its country houses & Co, and the faces of the poor being ground down to dust, having been handed a scientific theory which justified the status quo by one of its own.

As I suppose that anti-IDers are Democrats I can thus see why they treat this issue in isolation and ignore its wider implications in terms of the social consequences which logically derive from the position they take.
 

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