Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Absolutely no airbrushing -- he painted in classic oil glaze technique and was so good that it looked like airbrushing. In person, the canvases are breathtakingly real, not photographic. You could swear the air was being sucked out of the room by the vacuum in space.

Inept!!!??? Are you kidding? They've run off with billions of your money and are laughing their socks off. Pure Darwinianism apart from the laughing. In evolution they beat their chests, roar, crow and other stuff and have all the pretty-pretties fluttering around them.

And mostly legal too.

Still--you have your Golden Books to help you understand astronomy, geology and life sciences. Assuming "understand" means "having a superficial knowledge of".

I had Sir Henry Rider Haggard KBE and Sir Walter Scott. Kissing and fighting stuff.

First, the PBS Nova page on "Evolution: Darwin's Dangerous Idea"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1066758608286493679

They are laughing because they believe they got away with their corruption. No Darwinism there -- maybe Pope-Pie-Assism. You've beaten on your chest so hard on these pages, I'm surprised you have any air left in your lungs.

No, not mostly legal.

I haven't had those Golden Books since the 1950's if you'd read what I wrote -- that was Farmerman. He likely has a valuable collection there. Not a good time to sell, however.

You had Sir Rider Haggard? How was he?

he did use masks. You can see the really hard edges on the "Saturn" one. I used airbrush (so did guys like Frank Frazetta) It made things easier to compose without goin nuts with swatting dry brushes around.

You sure he didnt use airbrush? did he have any airbrushing equip, or small jars of thinned pigment stuff around his studio? Airbrush is just as demenading as any media.

Well, Forry Ackerman confirmed what Bonestell told me that he never uses an airbrush and I owned one of his lesser canvases of a space vehicle flying over San Francisco at dusk. No evidence of hard edges using a mask on any of the canvasses I've been close to and you could see the glazes were applied with fine sable oil brushes but there, of course, is no evidence of the marks in glaze technique if done expertly. Chris Cox who went to work for Hollywood and is mainly remembered in the credits of "2001" was a close friend and also knew Bonestell. No airbrush confirms Chris, but he certainly used it as you describe because I went to his studio several times in LA to learn more about airbrushing. Unless you went to LA Art Center, and even in design and illustration classes in the colleges I attended, airbrushing was verboten.

That's Ron Cobb, not Chris Cox, so he was not a politician:

http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0167803/

He drew up sketches of space craft for 2001 and don't remember if he made it into the credits or not. Golly, now I'm going to have to rerun my new Blu-Ray DVD of "2001," if not just for the picture quality which is better than I remember the original film when I saw it at the Cinerama Dome.

Actually I do agree the Saturn looks like there was a mask. I have seen many photos of his painting with an artist baton under his arm for steadiness. This could be an artifact from the color separation masks. At that time, they were done by hand because, actually, that Saturn painting was in the exhibition I saw and just from memory, the edge had no such wavering sharpness. Close up, it was a soft edge as Bonestell was really an astronomer himself and knew that Saturn's atmosphere at the edge would not be a definite line.

You're doing a lot of name dropping LW. Are you trying to impress us?

I think of everybody's skid marked underpants first. Except the Pope of course. He doesn't wear underpants. Thereby hangs a tale which I am not going to tell on account of its unseemliness.

I think you misunderstand the Catholic clergy at a deep level. Do you really think they give a **** about the bullshit side of things? Do you seriously think there's anything you lot know that they don't?

Boy oh boy are you into self-approval. It's your Achilles Heel. You remind me of those ladies who, within 60 seconds of being introduced to them, and no matter what the topic of conversation, will find a way of informing you that their offspring are at university. Or that their sister's next door neighbour's brother was once in a urinal stood next to the Duke of Devonshire's gamekeeper.

When I was just finding out how much **** I was in they used to airbrush out the pubic hairs of the healthy looking bints in the naturist magazines which were sold on railway station bookstalls. Like Dylan said ---Things Have Changed. It was illegal then for a lady movie star to be kissed without her having her feet on the ground. A scientific version of Salammbo's chain I suppose.

I would wrap a thing like that in brown paper before I put it in the garbage. I wouldn't want the waste disposal services laughing at me.

Chesley Bonestell, Willy Ley and Ron Cobb are name dropping? I doubt if but 2% of the people on this forum have any idea who those people are. Just got back from the pub, or do you have a secret stash under your desk?

Kissed the Pope's feet and then look up, did you.

The Pope-Pie-Ass of self-gratification dissing me for an interaction with a separate person on this forum is irony. I would dare not say what kind of Heel you are.

How many lady movie stars have you kissed with their feet on the ground?
Off the ground? Ever at all?

You'd be tossing out a lot of cash. I sold it in the 70's for $ 18,000.00.

He was the painter who created the art for "Destination Moon" and the first few minutes of the original "War of the Worlds."

Which makes them all the more exclusive and posh.

I wouldn't dream of kissing a lady movie star when there are millions of other fine lasses out there who don't charge an arm and a leg and are much more enthusiastic. A lot of them will knock you up a steak and kidney pie with chips (fries), gravy and 2 veg to encourage you to call again.

you are getting to shpendi apparently. He is stamping his feet cause weve no longer made this thread about HIM.

I was looking at some of Bonestells work and it is very cool. I love fantasy art. I bought a Frank Frazetta illustration of one of his "Uberchicks" with a large snake surrounding her loins , very Freudiean. I payed about 200$ for it at an ALderfer art sale in the 1990's and the underbidder wanted it after the auction and offered me 350$ . Im always amazed at how prices vary from sale to sale.

I remembre WIlley Ley and Von Braun talking together in the late 50s on the Walt Disney show. Theyre discussions of multi stage rockets and space stations that looked like huge donuts were my introductions to a fascination with Estes products.

It was a good deal. Congratulations. Was the buyer an AIG investor?

I know -- there's already reports of minor earthquakes in Britain on the wire and a great green glow rising into the sky. Can't be Torchwood -- that's in Cardiff and not being filmed right now.

Did you Google Bonestell? There's a lot of images online -- more than I thought. There's two painting that were the special effects basis for "Destination Moon." The one with the ship landed on the moon was just simply shot by the camera as the real thing!

The spaceships and the space station in "2001" were really based on those earlier books and the spreads they were getting in Life Magazine.

Golly, Ackerman gave me that painting for a Birthday and I never thought it would be worth that much.

Nope -- it was an executive at Lockheed and I don't remember his name. It was deja vu when in the late 80's I worked on the stealth bomber cockpit.

You worked at "Skink works"?

No, Symbolic Displays who provided the illuminated instrument panels in front of the pilot. This has come up before. The company was bought by Seimens right after I left it and they ran it into the ground. Tough business, short production runs, basically all custom. I did introduce some fiber optic technique as I was in the R & D. The European Airbus was the last project I worked on.

I think this thread has worn itself out, but there are always new findings. NOVA is working with the BBC on an updated "Evolution" series. Kind of "Evolution II." I doubt they will borrow another title like Darwin's Dangerous Idea. Why mislead the ignorant?

LW - I think we could have a very interesting conversation. :-)

I actually am employed by LMCO.

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Ever been in the stealth fighter or bomber cockpit? Of course, if any panels been replaced by a new company, I wouldn't doubt it is not the company I used to work for.

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