Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Did you detect any whisks?

I once drew a cartoon of Jacques Derrida tied to a post before a firing squad with the OIC interpreting the document in his hand saying "It means we are going to shoot you". I sent it the young Lawson when he was editor of The Spectator but the wimp didn't use it.

So much for deconstruction. I hope that helps you to understand why I didn't read the thread you pointed me at.

Is a whisk a type of silly walk?

Did they mince?

Are they scientists?

Does mince relating to men connote homosexual in the minds of all those who daren't answer direct questions?

Both mince and the " " come from the JosephGoebells elementary "**** their heads up" primer. No question about it. However much hip wriggling you lot do.

Besides Spendius needing a remedial reading class, I think you might be referring to "swish" in that case. Mincing, as far as movement and not the culinary arts, does not necessarily include "hip wiggling."

However, you can be whisked out of the courtroom. I can't remember the details on how the only two ID "scientists" (answered but not comprehended by some who have become stoned on soup) were sent from the courtroom, but if they had tails, they would have been between their legs.

Using "mince" to mean a walk goes back to Hollywood in the Twenties. I think that was not in the dictionaries as having gay connotations and it doesn't now. Goebbels certain didn't mince any words, whatever that had to do with the parade of quasi-scientists the ID factions have conjured forth to explain exactly what the "theory" of ID actually is, and how it's any different from Creationism.

That's squirming LW.

As Frank tried to explain, what happened at Dover has nothing to do with me or the argument. The simple fact that you lot set so much store by it is quite sufficient proof of your empty position. That is not an assertion-it is a fact. Unlike your suggestion that I need remedial reading lessons which is nothing but an assertion and it is meaningless as well because the best read person in the world would readily admit that he can improve.

But I'm not Frank. I am quite content to allow you, even encourage you, to show yourselves up in the manner you have been doing all along the thread. The viewers of this thread will decide who is on the right side as is the case with all debates in public.

It is only one post back where I explained the essence of ID. Or, to be correct, I had Prof Willey explain it for you in one simple sentence. It reaches back 2,500 years that we know of. It is where civilisation begins, What the DI does and says is a matter for the DI and I really do not understand why you don't address your remarks to them. It's as if you have a thing about pissing into the wind. There's nobody on here representing the DI.

Anyway- we do know that you won't answer simple questions. Which suggests you're frit.

You are saying that Judge Jones's daughters are grubs. He is too. I'm saying they are divine creatures. You, and him, are saying he copulated with a female grub to produce them. I am saying he made love to his lovely, divine wife.

Read Heckel sometime.

So Im assuming that you asked me whether anyone was whisked from the courtroom? Not while I was there. remember, this ws gonna be the BIGASS CASE that the Discovery Institute was hoping for . However, because they hadnt had a really good overall plan to bring it home, the Discovery Institute actually pulled out of the case during pre trial manipulation. Several of the DI "Experts" were hoped to really shine and make the judge understand. Several news conferences were called by the lawyers of the defence before Michael Behe testified . The Tommie More lawyers left Behe with an impossible expectation to meet. Behe failed miserably and (I wasnt there but we had the tapes) he was clearly in over his head . When he got himself bound up with the "Astrology questions" He stuck with the assertion taht Astrology was, indeed a science. My one court watching colleague who,was there that day, said that the judge was clearly showing a bit of amusement on his face. Behe lost all credibility at that point.

They deserved what they got. They set up this in the same fashion that the EVolutionists set up the Scoped trial. When some bunch assumes it can se the trial results , they are fools. The best trial attornies I know, are in the field because they " arent afraid of losing". The defence figured so incorrectly that they never realized that, if they lost their case, nobody was going to pony up for an appeal especially if (as it turned out) the school board ws dismantled by the pissed off voters who were mostly pissed off about how much money Mr Buckingham and his cronies were costing the tax payers of the school district

WHen I was there, everyone gave everyone else the full bank of courtesies. It appeared that the ACLU was overly agreeable to procedures because the Thomas More attornies were really baaad, and were screwing up their own case from the start of the defenses case.
The plaintiffs case was so good that the judge had filled several notebooks with his own notes and was clearly attentive throughout. (Many times in these kinds of cases the judges just appear to zone out)

Spendius,



Don't you think this obsession of yours with animal sexual instincts battling with a thin veneer of culture says more about you than it does about the topic at hand ?

I was kidding, of course. About the whisking.

I've seen the PBS coverage and I've read the transcript from the trial. The Tommy More attorneys did sabotage Behe -- the crux of the case was whether ID was a valid scientific theory with facts to back it up, or if it was creationism in sheep's clothing, or Red Riding Hood. Some want to shovel all of this into the past and it doesn't matter who or what organization will try it again, even coming up with a new disguise, it can't establish itself of anything more than the admission that the Earth is much older than what is in the Bible. They can present and have accepted admissions but they can't present and have accepted any scientific evidence.

HEs got his obsessions doesnt he. When spendi states that hes willing to let "His readers judge" , hes also a big pompous ass as well. His attempts at projection also give us a view of the spendi behind the curtaqin.
Im betting that he, like Frank, was an escapee from a Catholic seminary.

I think judge Jones was even more torqued off at the clear fraud and deceit that was perped by the school board, and the entire activities that upheld the case evidenced a small group of "Biblical Lieralists" who, just jumped on a convenient ID bandwagon to give their charges some initial credibility. When the parents decided to sue, As a last resort when the school board was obstinate about its position, the school board got exactly what it deserved.

The entire ID movement is built on this fraud. Now the Discovery Intitute is trying to do post trial housekeeping by two things

1They are trying to distance themelves from the entire case by stating that their movement has a different"longer historied" pedigree and

2Stating that,(in case we dont buy number 1) the Dover case was improperly brought and that certain areas were actually a pyrrhic victory for science and "ANti-ID".

The new tacks that include teaching the controversy are predicated on false facts that like everything else in the ID camp, are just attempts to fool the public.

What I find increasingly annoying is the ID jit attempts to "polish" their history and give it this sense that they are really true scientists and that their ideas have merit . That and disconnecting themselves from a "god" yet still retaining a deity as the author of their core principles, is the summit of hypocrisy.

Not in that one though. He was zoned out. It was involuntary. They flattered him that he understood modern science and it fucked his head clean off his shoulders. Behe is a Dick van Dyke type but for real. Dick was taking the piss.

His judgment rendered his wife and daughters into grubs chomping their way through the nutrient bed. Some scientific writers refer to their fashionable frocks as sacks to cover their bottoms up. You can't get past it effemm and your silly flannel and self promoting bullshit is just something to distract yourself. Putting it as politely as I can, See Heckel.

You're completely barmy.

Like Steve Martin said--"I can't **** a monkey".

Would you like me to do impolite you silly fuckers.

When someone from UK jumps off the train, it just sounds like normality, when someone from New Jersey goes berserk, you better hide your family.

AS David Queenan said"To the AmericansThrough the Looking Glass was a pleasant little allegory, to the British, Its non-fiction"

I am willing to let the jury decide. I don't see why that is pompous. It's the exact opposite.

Are you not willing to let the jury decide? It is consistent with your general position that only you and those you approve of should have a vote. That is the thread that runs through every single post you submit.

Every insult directed my way cannot but be also directed at the majoriry of Americans who have never even had an atheist to vote for in my experience for the simple reason that a bid for office as an avowed atheist is like chucking $1000 bills on the fire.

Your thesis effemm only works in your puter room. Take it to the streets.

You stole those lines from me, except that you use them with the flourishes that Julian Booth was famous for.

You're twisting in the wind effemm. You're even hopeless as a sophist.

Did you mean the wrestler?

What's the matter spendi? It's a simple question. Yes or no: Would the soup taste the same without the stone. You only illustrate how out of your league you are.

Concession accepted.

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Knock off writing your own scripts TK. It is very wearying. Especially for ladies. I'm used to it. I have to be. The pub is full of that sort of thing.

You can't have soup without stone in it as I have explained. Stone is in all soup. Ask effemm. He's a geologist ( and does he let us know). I think he will agree.

How can I be out of my own league? I'm very happy to be out of your's.

I once saw an interesting programme about a bloke tracking down the author of The Stones of Summer who had been neglected by the American public and was eventually found stoking boilers on the night shift.

Well I never though of it that way...

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