Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@farmerman,

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Unless were in the realms of multidimensions we dont put any time or money on "possible solutions" for an equation when one really works to the exclusion of all the others.

Sounds to me like another rationalization for a completely closed mind.

If anyone needs them...you do.

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@Frank Apisa,

Oh, damn, I'd better switch back to Mimosas.

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@Frank Apisa,

Spendius speaking sense to Fresco? Is that anything like the tortoise and the hare?

(Now you're hearing voices -- here's a Mimosa. Relax, it's only evolution).

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@Lightwizard,

Well LW- I've seen some pathetic excuses for avoiding the Trivia threads in order not to look too much of an idiot but that one is almost virtuoso flapdoodle. effemm contents himself with saying it is too easy for him to lower himself to. I told the Acronymers what he said and they all laughed sardonically.

Those games are about humour.

I don't think "virtuoso pedanticism" is an oxymoron at all.

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@Lightwizard,

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It's to talk someone down, not talk someone in.

Farmerman used "talk in" not "talk down"...and I was responding to Farmerman.

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Besides, we aren't talking here -- if you're hearing voices, you have the TV on in the background.

Once again, I was responding to what Farmerman said...and he said "talk in."

Try to get the story right before starting with the bullshit. Your correction is all incorrect.

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@Lightwizard,

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Oh, damn, I'd better switch back to Mimosas.

A reading course might be an even better idea.

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@spendius,

You might be able think you could produce a virtuoso observation of rules, an ostentatious and inappropriate display of learning, but ostentatious playing of a violin can't be characterized with virtuosity.

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@Frank Apisa,

Don't need a learning course -- if you were outside shooting at the neighbors, I can understand being talked in. "Talk down" means someone is angry or uncomfortable and needs to be calmed down -- changing the subject works, but obviously it's transitory and doesn't last long. But, then, radiation and nuclear weapons isn't that far away from how the Universe came to be. I guess the Christian God decided he wasn't going to use his own powers, like a set of good lungs to start a hurricane, but let us create the technology to blow the Earth up instead of letting global warming do away with us.

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@Frank Apisa,

YourmindistheonethatisclosedImafraid.Youobsesson the "Possibility" of ID (with no basis that I can see other than its the antithesis of "there Mignt Not be any ID). You seem to push your arguments from one side of the road while attempting to make belive that you really reside on the other. My description of copout stands unchallenged. Your "logis" is a s bogus as the IDers "science"

Besides, if you wish to acknowledeg that there possibly is a god, then you must place equal footing on the possibility that there arent any. SO where does that leave you anyway?
I see your argument as just an obstinate refusal to visit facts and base decisions on a knowledge base that
1works

2hasnt been refuted.

I defy you to take that same position with ID (I know, your gonna come back with a "I really dont believe in ID but it could be a possibility". ). Thats what I find as the most bonegeaded about your position. I relly dont Give A **** but , the more you try to elaborate your cobbled together CAtechism, the more intransigent and obsessive you sound.

Your trying to mount some kind of "logical" pillar for being agnostic. The only problem is that you dwell only on the possibilities of one side of that pillar.

Dont blow any fuses today Frank.

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Unless were in the realms of multidimensions we dont put any time or money on "possible solutions" for an equation when one really works to the exclusion of all the others.

Sounds to me like another rationalization for a completely closed mind.

If you dont understand, lemme splain. Several classes of differential equations have several answers.Many , dont work in our dimensional system (or wherever the change is being measured). SO, we put all our money into the solutions that do. Im being very utilitarian and non-obsessive about how I view the world. As I said, Im probably agnostic but(SO friggin what?) it doesnt fit into any useful systems of how I work within the world and live my life. I find that religions are an interesting historical concept that've probably outlived any usefulness. EVolution follows rules, is testable, predictable, and is mathematically analyzeable. ANy of the religion based systems (except maybe Quakers) have no revelation based realities that have EVER been relied upon to provide truthful answers.
Why should I acknowledge a possibility of asomekind of supernatural beings when supernaturalbeings all require me to dispense with all logic. I just dont think that way, apparently you do. Well, whatever floats yer boat Franky.

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@Lightwizard,

Once again...I was replying to what Farmerman wrote. And he wrote "talk in."

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@farmerman,

Oh, damn, I'm out of orange juice and, besides it's 6:42 in the morning here -- way too early to drink. Agnosticism has little too do with logic as it means "I don't know," of "I'm not sure." The ID that has been described universally was the ID presented in the Dover case and the Discovery Institute is still pounding away at. Their concept is so full of inaccuracies, need I say, outright lies to the choir (or whoever want's to seriously read it as a science textbook) that it's impossible to give any leeway to ID being possible. A higher power like The Great Mover is possible, but nothing less abstract -- it only has an influence on our lives with nature's own randomness, or by our ill-advised twisting or neglect of nature, too often using it in the wrong way. The word "designer" does not fit as that implies a heavenly drawing board or laptop program where such things as Tasmanian devils, aardvarks, dinosaurs, primitive man, et al, were designed like the logo for Lehman Brothers. That would be one way to explain extinctions!

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@farmerman,

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YourmindistheonethatisclosedImafraid.Youobsesson the "Possibility" of ID (with no basis that I can see other than its the antithesis of "there Mignt Not be any ID).

I am not interested in what you can or cannot see. You have a closed mind. Being unable to see certain things is to be expected.

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You seem to push your arguments from one side of the road while attempting to make belive that you really reside on the other. My description of copout stands unchallenged. Your "logis" is a s bogus as the IDers "science"

My argument has been consistent throughout.

You are pathetic in all this nonsense you are trying to ascribe to me.

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Besides, if you wish to acknowledeg that there possibly is a god, then you must place equal footing on the possibility that there arent any. SO where does that leave you anyway?

It leaves me with the statement I made...namely, “IF there is a God...”

You are so pathetically ignorant and willfully blind...it almost staggers my mind to realize you are so shallow. I am actually glad I had this opportunity to see that.

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I see your argument as just an obstinate refusal to visit facts and base decisions on a knowledge base that

YOU, Farmerman...are being obstinate. My argument and logic are absolutely spot on. You are pathetic.

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I defy you to take that same position with ID (I know, your gonna come back with a "I really dont believe in ID but it could be a possibility". ). Thats what I find as the most bonegeaded about your position. I relly dont Give A **** but , the more you try to elaborate your cobbled together CAtechism, the more intransigent and obsessive you sound.

Get a grip on yourself. This paragraph sounds like something from a snake pit. Try to calm down...and compose a coherent thought here and I will respond.

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Your trying to mount some kind of "logical" pillar for being agnostic.

I'm sure “your” rather than “you're” is another typo, right!

Calm down.

I don't have to make any kind of argument for agnosticism. It is fine just the way it is.

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The only problem is that you dwell only on the possibilities of one side of that pillar.

Do I??? You mean in an argument where I am making a point of “IF there is a GOD...” I actually focus on the “if there is a god” part!

Are you ******* insane as well as stupid?

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I need a cup of coffee so I can wacth the birdies at the feeder.

The finches outside my kitchen window at our feeder are doing just fine. Hope your birds are doing as well. I don't drink coffee. It makes me edgy!

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Dont blow any fuses today Frank.

I won't. Blow anyone you want, Farmerman.

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@Frank Apisa,

"Talk in"--often used interchangeably with "Talk down" but of a slightly different etymology.

TALK DOWN--is usually used to describe a situation (like in an airoplane) where a neophyte is given instructions from a separate location via radio. The "Tower had talked the youngster DOWN"

TALK IN-- is used when someone, clearly despondent , is standing outside of a room on a windowsill and is threatening to jump to his or her deaths. In this occsion one attempts to talk them "IN"

I thought we were all language experts here.

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@Frank Apisa,

You can follow the more times you state a lie, the more it will become the truth. So I concede that Farmerman meant "talk down." You mean to state after I wrote something about not nitpicking grammatical compositional errors on the forum, that I've been pulling everybody's leg by doing it myself? You're smarter than that and you've know me too long. Is it late enough for you to down a Maker's Mark? Wink

Now, depending on your demographic, you can go back out into the snow, the rain, or maybe even some nice warm sunshine.

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You are a very little man there Frank, one who is unable to get into discussions without ever losing it. You seem to have a record of being out of control on line.

I too am glad Ive never wasted any time meeting you in real life, you dont seem to have any real understandings about things , just opinions base upon one sided logic.

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@farmerman,

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"Talk in"--often used interchangeably with "Talk down" but of a slightly different etymology.

TALK DOWN--is usually used to describe a situation (like in an airoplane) where a neophyte is given instructions from a separate location via radio. The "Tower had talked the youngster DOWN"

TALK IN-- is used when someone, clearly despondent , is standing outside of a room on a windowsill and is threatening to jump to his or her deaths. In this occsion one attempts to talk them "IN"

I thought we were all language experts here.

Not sure why you addressed this to me. I didn't take fault with the "talk in"...LW did.

Do you need a course in reading comprehension????

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@farmerman,

That's where you lost me -- I don't believe Frank is despondent or about to jump off off the planter box outside the window. We're you also a police negotiator?

Rachel Maddow is one of the liberal commentators on MSNBC who uses "talk down" on her show after she's finished a narrative of the government or politicians doing something foolish, dangerous, unexplained or other transgression and asks her guest expert to try and "talk me down." It's also meant in that case besides anger -- disbelief, frustration, or just generally being astonishingly pissed off. Now if that doesn't describe Frank, I don't know what else does. Well, he slight overacts compared to Maddow.

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@farmerman,

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You are a very little man there Frank, one who is unable to get into discussions without ever losing it. You seem to have a record of being out of control on line.

I too am glad Ive never wasted any time meeting you in real life, you dont seem to have any real understandings about things , just opinions base upon one sided logic.

Nice dodge!

Much better than dealing with what I wrote.

I have been totally logical in my argument here...and you have been dodging the fact that I have. You are pathetic at this stuff.

And yes...I am not very big. 5'8" if I stand up very straight...and 150 lbs tops. What does that have to do with things?

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@Lightwizard,

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That's where you lost me -- I don't believe Frank is despondent or about to jump off off the planter box outside the window. We're you also a police negotiator?

Rachel Maddow is one of the liberal commentators on MSNBC who uses "talk down" on her show after she's finished a narrative of the government or politicians doing something foolish, dangerous, unexplained or other transgression and asks her guest expert to try and "talk me down." It's also meant in that case besides anger -- disbelief, frustration, or just generally being astonishingly pissed off. Now if that doesn't describe Frank, I don't know what else does.

Oh, if you could only see the smile on my face.

Pissed off???

Not moi.

I am just having a bit of fun with some morons.

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@Frank Apisa,

That's not just pissed off, it's astonishingly pissed off. Okay, I don't exactly want to hang that on you as much as several other members on this forum.

Let's try to characterize it as you appearing to be slightly pissed off at who you believe are morons. I don't find but a few morons, but biased curmudgeons who have a lacking in communication skills. Just remember if you're going to play the Devil's Advocate, you have to know him personally.

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