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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 14 Jan, 2009 02:59 pm
@Shirakawasuna,
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Because schoolchildren can understand the difference between a general descriptive idea and one of ethical advocacy.


What ethical idea? How about that it teaches them what comes naturally and that resisting natural drives is bad for personal health, see Freud & co., and the social contract is thus killing them. But slowly enough for the medical profession to keep pace by dreaming up ever more elaborate treatments and which thus has an interest, see Ivan Illich, in the general procedure. Is that ethical notion in your mind.

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the fact that evolutionary principles apply even if our education system struggled valiantly against them should give you an indication as to why you're wrong


I'm not exactly wrong. I am merely dealing with the immediate future. Destiny will roll over us I feel sure and evolution will return to that Edenic state from which we emerged some disputed length of time ago. I gather the earth has about 4.5 billion years to go. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, if the whiskey don't get you, the women must. Yes-I'm wrong in the long run. I know.

But the argument works in reverse. It says the forces of evolution are powerful ones and we need strong measures to hold them at bay. You do want to hold them at bay don't you?
rosborne979
 
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Wed 14 Jan, 2009 10:45 pm
Found a very interesting article. Thought some of you might like it: http://sfmatheson.blogspot.com/2007/10/they-selected-teosinteand-got-corn.html

cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 14 Jan, 2009 11:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Hi Frank, Welcome to the "club." For an "old" man, I'm still kick'n pretty good. Just returned from a fantastic 26-day cruise to the South Pacific including Easter Island. I'll be posting my "regular" travelogue with pictures in a couple of days.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 04:13 am
@rosborne979,
Hes a practitioner of Bardolatry. Ya gotta hate those guys. Everything is a damnShakespeare quote.
Is there a printable version of that? I dont like reading long pieces on the web.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 06:08 am
@farmerman,
I read it all and the comments.

It's psuedo-scientific woffle presumably in the service of a career. Evolution theory demands that it's in the service of something.

If he scoffs at the distinction between natural and artificial selection then he ought to look at the juxta I offered yesterday between the Willendorf and the Bernini mastrpiece. A 25,000 year transformation or metamorphosis.

If he did he might say, as he did for his chosen plants, than many "experts" might think the Venus to be more closely related to (what?) than to humans or that at the "the very fine levels of structural detail" (fine phrase) they are "nearly" indistinguishable. A cross between the genotype of the Venus and, say, Bernini himself, a speculation Cecil Rhodes offered, would yield "healthy, fertile offspring".

So the basic idea is that Modern Woman is the domesticated version of the Venus. Religion being the domesticating agent and specifically Christianity for the Modern Western Woman: a fine example of which we have been shown by Mr Apisa recently. Otherwise the two types are, to all intents and purposes, identical and Modern Western Woman is merely a highly trained circus performer. And on the paltry time-scales the writer uses, which Darwin would have pooh-poohed, she is, biologically, the farmed animal equivalent of corn prepared for men of delicate sensibilities and refined aesthetic tastes. Prettied up teosinte. Or corn.

The men who go for the "Fat Slags" being in profound disagreement tested at the most visceral level and peer reviewed seemingly endlessly. The beloved of Jung and his followers.

Were I an 18th century chevalier I would challenge Mr Matheson to a duel. But I'm not so I will content myself with a good, old-fashioned smirk.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 06:11 am
@farmerman,
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I dont like reading long pieces on the web.


He means he couldn't be bothered. The printable version being dismissed from memory during coffee.

Would you buy an educational system from this man?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:48 am
@spendius,
Spendius wrote:


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So the basic idea is that Modern Woman is the domesticated version of the Venus. Religion being the domesticating agent and specifically Christianity for the Modern Western Woman: a fine example of which we have been shown by Mr Apisa recently.


Not sure how I got worked into a sentence dealing with this, Spendius, but if you actually have something I’ve said which is germane to your comments here, I’d love for you to cite it so that I can comment on it.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 08:35 am
@Frank Apisa,
I was referring somewhat jestingly to you putting up pictures of that most lovely example of Modern Woman namely Lola.

I presume you have seen a picture of the Venus of Willendorf. I saw the British Museum's copy of it yesterday on Sky Arts. It is about 4 inches high.

It is part of my ideas that going from that to Modern Woman absolutely requires Christianity. That Lola is a product of Christianity as are those ladies who agitate for Darwinianism in schools. I might have said Meryl Streep or Mrs Clinton but Lola is a better example I think you will agree.

Do you see this vision of womanhood arising from atheism or a Darwinian perspective?
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 09:09 am
@spendius,
Spendius wrote:

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Do you see this vision of womanhood arising from atheism or a Darwinian perspective?


I am supposing that "Do you see this vision of womanhood arising from..." is a way of asking, "Can you imagine this vision of womanhood arising from... ."

And my response would be: Not only can I imagine it, Spendius...I am persuaded that is exactly how it did arise--from the perspective Darwin proffered rather than from the scenario proposed by the mythology of Christianity or any other religion.

Lola is a lovely example of it...on that we can agree.
Francis
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 09:17 am
Frank, the concepts of achievement of womanhood, along with those of beauty, happiness and love arising from rough natural selection?

You mean they are not the results of men's desires but the other way around?

Men's desires being the results of achievement of womanhood?

Sorry, no way!
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 09:19 am
@Francis,
Francis...re-read the question Spendius put to me...which was the question I answered.
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spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 01:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Not only can I imagine it, Spendius...I am persuaded that is exactly how it did arise--from the perspective Darwin proffered rather than from the scenario proposed by the mythology of Christianity or any other religion.


That is true up to the establishment of patriarchy. The Venus is the product, I assume typical, of the perspective Darwin offered. I assume, life being what it is, the the promotion of the Darwinian perspective will lead back to that. No lingerie- in the raw.

Lola wrote-

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Whips up girls. They're begging for it.



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rosborne979
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:21 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Hes a practitioner of Bardolatry. Ya gotta hate those guys. Everything is a damnShakespeare quote.

Huh? Ya lost me there.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:25 pm
@rosborne979,
Bardolatry is the worship of Shakespeare originally. It is often used now for the worship of any opinion former.

I always think of them in their Y-fronts. It cures the illness.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:27 pm
@spendius,
And what, pray, do they call those who worship Flaubert?
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:32 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Wankers.

That was easy.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:35 pm
@spendius,
LOL!

What in the hell is a Wanker...other than a name for Flaubert lovers.
spendius
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 07:38 pm
@Frank Apisa,
What else is there to do after his analysis if waiting for the dreams takes more than 48 hours which it does after about 25. Don't forget Stendhal. It isn't a one man band Frank. There's a genre.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 10:54 pm
@rosborne979,
A practitioner of the overuse ofShakespearean **** is a "BArdolator". Matheson calls himself that in his classroom blog. (Blogs have turned into a way of academics to engage in preening. Maybe we should introduce Matheson to some of our own.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 15 Jan, 2009 11:57 pm
@rosborne979,
"Bard -olatry" me thinks, as in Shakespear.
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