Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

@farmerman,

http://www.sciam.com/sciammag

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@farmerman,

This I saw first-

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Matt Collins
Charles Darwin did not think of himself as a genius. “I have no great quickness of apprehension or wit which is so remarkable in some clever men ...” he remarked in one passage of his autobiography. Fortunately for the rest of us, he was profoundly wrong in his assessment.

Those who hang on his every word ought to try to avoid rubbishing his comments on the one thing he really ought to have understood best.

And the use of "remarked" so quickly after "remarkable" shows such a distinct lack of grasp of the most elementary principles of literary style that one cannot help questioning the recruitment procedures in play on the editorial pullman.

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@spendius,

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Spendi, if you want to argue the merits of ID in your own style of debate-- (or whatever it is you call your attempts at communication), why not go visit the Scientific American website and see if you have any greater luck convincing those folks than youve been having here.

I don't try to convince you lot effemm. It's the don't knows I address myself to in the hope that some of them read better than you do.

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@spendius,

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I address myself to in the hope that some of them read better than you do.

Thats amusing when coming from someone who is admittedly ignorant of the history of science, ignorant ofcourt proceedings in the"culture wars", and, most importantly, one who is ignorant of the basics of science itself.
You can bluster all you wish but its sorrowfully apparent that you are attempting to conduct and argument without even the nub of any correct information.
Its almost like you are some tv minister from the Southern Baptist Conference to whom facts are "optional".

Babble on, However, I plan to put you back on ignore after Christmas, this brief period of "communication" between us, is my Christmas present to you

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@farmerman,

I'm overwhelmed.

What a joy it is to see that the celebration of the birth of Jesus, the founder of science, has caused this unlooked for outburst of generosity and goodwill to have winged my way through God knows what circuits, beams and connectors.

Shove a holly sprig up your arse. IDiots rule. Did you not see the election?

It was five assertions and an "almost". Bit low for you effemm.

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@spendius,

I hope you know that over 99% of A2K members ignore me. So it is very common and nothing to keep going on about.

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@farmerman,

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Spendi, if you want to argue the merits of ID in your own style of debate-- (or whatever it is you call your attempts at communication), why not go visit the Scientific American website and see if you have any greater luck convincing those folks than youve been having here.

I checked it out thanks to ros's link. Just journalism. Glossy high-tech stuff. Nothing new for me.

There's so much fanny it would take years to deal with it.

And as for Putting Evolution to Use in Everyday Life I'm not bad at it. I daren't risk it now though. I could do the best courtship displays of any guy around here. I did do. It was too successful actually. But I only found that out after I had read some seminal works on the subject by guys, one who was in Moscow with Napoleon, who would have avoided 5 years cooped up with Fitzroy like it was death's end. Another trekked to Egypt in order to try a night or two with the leading courtesan of the time, one Hutchup Clarmen. (That's an A2K in joke for my fans.) His report didn't auger well for bi-lateral relations I'm afraid. Another was very bitter about being retired from the army on bloody half-pay. One had his mind blown by the springtime blossoms before he was 15.

There was a medical practitioner too. He diagnosed patients by tasting their piss. He recommended lots of bed rest and laughing and favoured the necks of geese to the curtains or the maid's skirts for arse-wiping purposes. And he had a grudge against lawyers. I think he smoked weed all the time.

And those few were nowhere near the real headbangers. They were pretty steady chaps considering. With the bad cases you don't know for sure whether you're being had on.

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@farmerman,

I know you know that ID has lost in court to a conservative judge, but perhaps some deadheads are still living in their own world and haven't realized they are losing. Fast.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-11-09-pennsylvania-intelligent-design_x.htm

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Can anybody identify any of those five writers mentioned in my last post.

I can't imagine a bloke not wanting to know what guys like that had to say about things. Some of your universities buy up all the papers relating to that sort of writer. They have whole departments studying their works and notes and stuff. Laundry lists even.

The writers in SA come with the smoke and are gone with the wind. Christendom decides what I read. What sifted finest.

A pretty phrase is like a pretty leg. It's an omen of glad tidings.

I was admiring some pretty legs in the pub on Sat night and she noticed. She checked a few times to be sure and then she put on a lovely show. Pretending to be talking to her friends whilst showing me them from every angle amused me no end. I got the impression nobody had every noticed before what alarmingly pretty legs she had. No stockings. High heels. Perfect feet and not too brazen a mini-skirt. In white with short silk-style tassels. Also in white. Where were Masters and Johnson when I needed them?

One ought to open a book a bit like that. As a precious thing.

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@spendius,

Stop Press-

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A report by Germany's Parliament found forces in Afghanistan got through more than 1.7 million pints of beer and 92,000 bottles of wine last year.

They are already on track to top those figures this year, with 901,000 pints of beer and 56,000 bottles of wine being shipped in the first six months.

US forces are not allowed to drink.

That explains a lot of the comments about me going to the pub for a jar or two.

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@spendius,

Aha! A little Pink Floyd lyric, because jar rhymes with bar -- I have a feeling since there's no size intimated that your jars as the size of the pickle jars I buy at Costco.

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@Lightwizard,

I wouldn't know. I've never heard of Costco before. It's a naff name though.

I would never dream of associating myself with such a name. It reminds me of Orwell's stick rattling in a bucket.

Do they have Jumbo pickle jars on the Buy One Get Three Free shelf?

I hadn't thought of you as parsimonious LW.

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@spendius,

Do you live in a cave? Costco is a huge membership chain of warehouse stores in the US and Canada. You have to buy large commercial packages in order to get a wholesale price. The pickle jars are about 32 oz. Have fun. If they have to peel you off the floor, be sure they have a wheelbarrel to get you home.

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So it looks like this thread might as well die. The creationists/kooks obviously don't give a crap, let's just let spendius explore the literary connections of Costco and enjoy a little more misguided, pretentious masturbation.

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@Shirakawasuna,

Shirakawasuna wrote:

.. let's just let spendius explore the literary connections of Costco and enjoy a little more misguided, pretentious masturbation.

This, obviously, omitting the evolutionary effects of irony...

Evolution, and its understanding, is not for the vulgus pecus.

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@Shirakawasuna,

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So it looks like this thread might as well die.

Why don't you do your bit then. Why do you revive it yourself when it might as well die. Any thread might as well die. Why pick this one out to address in that negative and sulky manner?

I have hopes that at least a few of the readers here are aware that your assertion that my posts are misguided, pretentious masturbation does not necessarily mean that that is what they are and that that is your personal opinion which is meaningless as such and leveraged with the stupidity flagged-up by your first remark.

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@Francis,

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Evolution, and its understanding, is not for the vulgus pecus.

Francis means in this day and age. Evolution in action is what the past has endured and it may well be that in the future it will do so again but with the added frisson of having an intellectual understanding of it. In our world I think Francis is correct.

The half-baked evolution idea seems to be that old dodge of lazy teachers to talk about how and what the kids are taught rather than teaching them anything as that is getting more and more difficult as kids explore other educational avenues. Talking up the importance of their hierarchies now that a threat to their monopoly of education is breathing fire on the back of their pants.

A fair number of the journalists who write about these matters will have teachers in the swollen ranks of their nearest and dearest. Mostly liberals with other assorted left-wing riff-raff.

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Neither: it is not based on any other than tautological logic, therefore it is not science: plus no religion actually promotes the theory: not a respectable one anyway: by that I mean one more than 50 years old.

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@Fountofwisdom,

I presume that post is directed at the title of the thread and not at any posts hithertofore appearing. I also presume that "any" was intended to be "anything". Which leads me to presume a degree of carelessness.

Obviously religions of less than 50 years of life cannot possibly be worth a blow on a ragman's trumpet because that would imply that "history is bunk." That 2, or 4, million years had taught us nothing. Which, logically, means we are completely ******* stupid. Even a ******* rat can be taught to run a maze in a day or two. A religion of less that 50 years from its inception is, in evolutionary terms, a bit like a mewling infant in the arms of the nurse who has the scissors.

Of course, all religions promote an intelligent design theory. Most of them are completely ******* useless. Our version has produced remote controlled up-and-over doors and raspberry flavoured condoms with little bobbles here and there dotted over surface. (When stretched I mean.) And a lady losing her handbag on a space walk.

And it is science if you understand what science is.

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Dear Spendius: i wish you a speedy recovery from your tourettes; You do not understand any as a subconjunctive: I am therefore assuming English is not your first Language.
Because of this I am assuming that your failure to present anything even resembling a logical argument is down to your lack of grasp of the language.
Religions generally have to have at least 50 years before they gain credibility, Christianity was around for several centuries before the New Testament was published
Science is etc, is an example of a tautology, this makes the statement logically invald

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