There you go c.i.
You haven't even got the curiosity to wonder what the two most powerful defences of religion are. Obviously you prefer them on "ignore" and it is probably best for you that you do as I have been making allowances for all along.
You've been hiding behind evolution. You have been arguing non stop with somebody who is more of an evolutionist that you can even appreciate. Only Settin' has realised that. You lot wouldn't go near evolution theory if you understood it. It has nothing to do with fins and fish and the primal slime and chiclids and blood clotting.
Science my arse.
In evolution the Eskimos knock off old silly sods like you. That's because their backs are up against the wall. They can't afford a drag. And the way you talk about the economic situation you must think our backs are too. So really--you should volunteer.
The enormous cruelty involved in evolution which Mr Walton said, in that brilliant review of the Darwin programme I posted, Dawkins described with "some relish", can only be grasped, and then only faintly, in polite society (Christian), by imagining a lifeboat with 50 men, women and children in it, adrift, and the water running out, going from where they started to where the last two staggered ashore on some beach.
You could do school plays with that setting although the cops might come and shut the theatre down when they read about it in the papers. To show what it takes to be selected in. In evolution I mean.
Not here though except maybe in some inner cities where, funnily enough, media centres are located and there's bound to be some social interaction.
Why do you think that is? Why do you think our society is not red in tooth and claw? Why is not everywhere like in those inner cities? Those ruthless drugs gangs are not mutations surely? Were those in the Wild West mutations?
Suppose religion was the opiate of society. Marx copped out with "masses" or "the people" because everybody above beta minus could imagine themselves out of it not seeing themselves as one of the masses or "the people". And nobody below beta minus makes any decisions, except maybe traffic wardens and others given a shot at a uniform with epaulettes and insignia and aggravating fellow proles. I've never met a Marxist yet who considered himself part of the masses.
It's hard to imagine Marx not considering using "society".
WOW!!!
Suppose he did.
Anyway- here's the whole quote-
Quote:Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.
And real distress is a natural condition of a self-conscious being. The denial of it is just another version of the "ignore" function.
Some, like William Leith, are not in denial.
As Andy Warhol said when told about Ms Sedgwick's suicide--"Aw--gee- did she leave me any money?"