TCR wrote-
Quote:But I'm here for ya buddy; feel better
Where is here?
Is New York a place. It is moving with the rotation of the earth, which is itself going around the sun and that is moving in relation to the galaxy which is moving.......etc unto infinity- maybe. You could talk of "here" at a specific time but time is not what it seems because "simultaneous" is ambiguous due to light (or waves) travelling from source (cause) to receiver (effect). Modern physics has dissolved time and space into phantoms. Even within New York these relativity considerations are operative.
But we couldn't function if we allowed the science alone to dictate our thoughts. So we "believe" we are seeing things as they are for our convenience.
In principle therefore we "believe" things on a practical basis. Even things some of us know to be scientifically wrong. So what is so different about believing other things which are useful.
Evolution is concerned with the survival of the fittest and if a wrong belief makes for success what criticisms, other than personal ones, can be levelled against it in principle that couldn't be levelled against the religious belief that TCR is "here" when he (or she) is thousands of miles away now from when he (or she) wrote the post. Maybe millions. And not at the same angle to an imagined axis of the solar system. If I wait a few more hours before I'm in the **** enough to need his (or her) help he (or she) will be upside down and what use is somebody in such a state at providing help?
The task is to find beliefs that help us to succeed.
The idea that AIDs-ers have no beliefs is too fatuous to discuss on a science thread. I'll bet most of them think they are married. That's a serious religious belief.
No beliefs is just ridiculous. Inhuman.
So why do you AIDs-ers want to ram your beliefs, many of which will differ from your co-conspirators, down the throats of 50 million kids? The answer is obvious. To push your own boat out of course.
A sort of Oliver Twist situation.
You haven't a single scientific bone in your bodies. You are snake oil merchants. You suspend the science to suit your purposes.
Beatrice Webb didn't do that as I showed when I quoted her. But she admitted to being disconsolate as well.
So I will answer my own question "Can society do without religion?" Not a chance.
Hence- what religion? Hence intelligent design is science and religion combined for success purposes irrespective of whether there is success and thus anything else is completely stupid.
So where do AIDs-ers draw the line? Obvious- at what they themselves believe and that's rampant egoism. Forcing it on others is dictatorial.
Some of the things they believe about other people are on a par with the more extreme forms of voodoo never mind Old Testament teachings.
I would go so far as to say that AIDs-ers on this thread are far more mired in religious beliefs than any half-wit intelligent design proponent. And they are desperately trying to form a circle.
Dover, their great achievement, was down to the judge seeing a chance to get more gigs on the after-dinner speaking circuit. "Have gavel will travel." And some of the others. And sell books. And fill up newspapers on the cheap. And sell hotel spaces, restaurant meals and probably whores. Better than Baghdad eh?
We're all on TV for 15 seconds.
I hope you lot are getting a cut of the action. If not you are unwitting dupes. Or, as Mr Appleyard said in the Sunday Times, have the "unacknowledged faith of supposedly secular society."
That's unlikely though seeing as how you are all brainboxes of the highest order so it will be personal convenience in such matters as abortion, birth control, homosexuality, divorce and whatnot caused by a general undisciplined temperment and desire for self indulgence expressions without respectable people looking down their noses at you.
