Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

Try writing posts that mean something. Any fool can spew vicious rhetoric.

But I'll be the first to admit I can't make heads or tails of his mumblings.

"Legal procedures" eh?

Read Rabelais on that art. It was quite well developed even then.

Well you would wouldn't you fm? It's understandable.

You have lost faith in the Great-crested American artist/conman for the simple reason that you have no possible evolutionary explanation for its existence. You don't just have gaps trying to explain it: you have nothing out of which it was composed. Or even might have been.

But you may be right. We would have to get Mr Stein into a tight corner to find out.

I just think my explanation is the most likely but then I'm a bit of a cynic I suppose.

But the thing about my explanation is that it provides a fund of merriment whereas your explanation causes gnashing teeth. So on the social consequences argument, and with Rabelais insisting that merriment was better for the health than teeth grinding, as in a bulldog chewing a wasp, and him being so expert at things, I'm sticking to the business proposition line.

If you enjoy wande's posts one might imagine you enjoy repetition in general because they are very repetitive as Foxy pointed out.

Where do you think she has gone?

I think you will find wande that every point raised there has been dealt with along your thread. These reports of your's just go over the same old stuff. Try assuming that those coming on here to be Abled 2 Know have learned something and don't need to keep being told the same old things.

I dealt with this assertion only recently-

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He's also the star of the new film "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed," which casts Stein as a "rebel" with "political dynamite" who is blowing the lid off a conspiracy of scientists to silence critics of evolutionary theory.


It's a business proposition. He is setting himself up as the spokesperson of those fainthearts who suspect that there might be a conspiracy of scientists to not only silence "critics of evolutionary theory" but critics of anything else they haven't peer-reviewed and approved as well. They only peer-review what they have peer-reviewed to peer-review mind you.

Mr Stein is obviously an ambitious chap. And even your post admits he's a "pitchman".

Do you think a society can do without religion?

spendius wrote:

Do you think a society can do without religion?

That question is the fulcrum this thread turns around.

Like many other philosophical concepts, it's answer is rooted in the deep beliefs of each individual and therefore is not an universal answer.

.. but whether or not some individuals can function in a society without religion..

Where's that?

That question is the fulcrum this thread turns around.

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Do you think a society can do without religion?

That question is the fulcrum this thread turns around.

Like many other philosophical concepts, it's answer is rooted in the deep beliefs of each individual and therefore is not an universal answer.

For first time, lawmakers try intelligent design
(Bill Decker, The Daily Advertiser, April 06, 2008)

Gov. Bobby Jindal's first regular-session legislative plan is designed to help Louisiana schools train a better work-force. So why does Sen. Ben Nevers seem hell-bent on taking our schools back to the Dark Ages?

Nevers, D-Bogalusa, has introduced the Louisiana Academic Freedom Act. (See also Patriot Act, Freedom to Farm Act.) The legislation's innocent-sounding purpose is to prohibit anyone who runs a public elementary or secondary school from preventing the teaching of "certain scientific evidence." It forbids "content-based censorship."

Innocent, that is, until you stumble across Paragraph 4(a), which outlines the "certain scientific evidence." That would be, among other things, intelligent design.

There's nothing stupid about believing that God created everything - at least not to me, since that's what I believe. But intelligent design is an affront to both religion and science. And, in a way, it got its start here.

In the early 1980s, the Legislature passed a law requiring the teaching of creation science alongside evolution in our public schools. In its 1987 Edwards v. Aguillard decision, the U.S. Supreme Court smote down the Louisiana law, yea, even unto the dust. The justices cited the Establishment Clause.

Almost immediately, people calling themselves the Discovery Institute decided they could slip creationism into schools if they didn't explicitly mention God. They stole some Thomas Aquinas sayings about complexity implying design, and they took "God" out of their creationist literature - in more ways than one.

A couple of school boards tried to slip this "intelligent design" theory into the classroom. The outcome in Dover, Pa., was typical. A federal judge - a George W. Bush appointee, yet - found that the Dover board's promotion of intelligent design was unconstitutional. He based his ruling in part on Aguillard.

So Nevers' law has, in effect, already been struck down a couple of times. That should save time.

Or maybe it will be upheld, after which we can all join hands and flagellate ourselves by the light of a plague fire.

So why does Sen. Ben Nevers seem hell-bent on taking our schools back to the Dark Ages?

But intelligent design is an affront to both religion and science.

Or maybe it will be upheld, after which we can all join hands and flagellate ourselves by the light of a plague fire.

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Why did you all so bravely ignore my point about the wedding photograph?

If you can't handle a bit of nonsense like that then the larger issues are out of your ken.

How can the human mind acclimatize itself to the insecurity and uncertainty of this terrible doctrine of relativity, latent in all modern science long before Einstein applied it to the astronomical universe?

It is a most disconcerting conclusion, that there is no absolute truth; and that the thoughts of the man are no more and no less valid than the analogous brain activities of the dog or the bee! What becomes of existing standards of morality or capacity?. . . Like so many other poor souls I have the consciousness of being a spiritual outcast. I have no home for my religious faculty, I wander about disconsolate.

Everything was calculable: everything happened because it must: the commandments were erased from the tables of the law: and in their place came the cosmic algebra: the equations of mthematicians. Here was my faith: here I found my dogma of infallibility. . . And now--now--what is left of it? The orbit of the electron obeys no law. . . All is caprice: the calculable world has become incalculable. . . Nothing can save us from a perpetual headlong fall into a bottomless abyss but a solid footing of dogma; and we no sooner agree to that than we find that the only trustworthy dogma is that there is no dogma.