Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

farmerman, Here's a pretty good explanation of how Buddhists view evolution and ID. HERE.

ros wrote-



And rightly so too. One millenium we are running around in a loin cloth looking for some groundnuts with no supernatural thoughts in our heads in the snow desperately and the next we are sprawled out on a sofa with a four-pack backing the winners of the two big races at Cheltenham being screened on the 42" Plasma screen, reading a great book before going to the pub for some essential nutrient you don't need to chew.

That's magic alright.

Foxy -

Plato was completely nuts. So was the Buddha.

Joubert explains the first as I explained here about a year ago and the Buddha's notions could never land a man on the moon whilever they had a hole in the base of the statue to save on precious metals.

fm wrote-



Pull the other one fm. It has the bells on it which call decent folks to their prayin' and singin'.

I can't believe anybody would say a dumbass thing as that.

Spengler will teach you that what you know about matters of that nature could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a slurry gun.

False.

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wande wrote-



That's an argument for closing down public school science classes.

foxy, the point of discussion was whether the concept of ID is or is not not theistic and that The Platonic and Buddhist worlds were(according to you)NOT theistic. Ive included for your consideration several other myth bases of Creation stories. All can be considered outgrowths of a religious revelation. As far as whose sources are more reliable, Id assume no superiority in any web site. Thats just dim headed. You should referenece three or more sites with attributions intact if you wish to publish . Ive just planted mine with no airs of superiority. Now youve got me smiling about dueling URLs.

BTW, The Timaeus dialogues of Plato have long been debunked even before the Rennaissance (think Ibn Sinna). We dont much talk about earth wind water and fire , although we do talk of tetrahedral shapes and crystals .but in a whole nother level of understanding.So to consider them as a pre Christian ID form, Id have to strongly disagree. Thats like stating that the cave paintings at Lascauex or the creatures on Ularu or "Newspaper Rock" are ID. You steal the wonder from our own development as a species .


Buddhism has no quarrels with the sciences . Its more or less a "so what?" so your point of IDness is a bit missing no?

ID , as you seem to want to ignore, is clamoring for validity and credibility in the techno world. Youve discounted what the IDjits wish to sweep under the rug . THey wish to remain agnostic, not become just another religion in another robe

I get a kick out of your little digs regarding my atheism. I really dont worry about the attempted cheap put-downs. However, It makes you look like a rather small person when you use it as a "supposed point of debate". Also, when called a Liberal, How can I miss the view of Rush Limbaugh on the other side of the line. Quite un Buddha -like really. I rather enjoy the epithets, they fit nicely. Got any more?

My Jesuit upbringing thas taught me to be tolerant, the only thing theyve failed to instill in me is a sense of why should I be when confronted with midieval thinking.

I agree with this assessment.

Any form of ID which appeals to an intelligence which is mysterious or undefined or transcendent (essentially, anything which is inherently beyond scientific reach) is simply another appeal to the supernatural.

There is nothing new to be found with this approach. Instead of God being in the cracks, we are told there is a vague spirit in the cracks.

and stupid. As usual.

spendi can't help himself from stepping in shite every so often; it's in his nature. He provides humour where none is intended.

There's nothing funny about him CI

His rants remind me of a song...

There's a killer on the road
His brain is squirming like a toad

It took me awhile, but I came to the conclusion that spendi must be taken with a grain of salt. He adds a little flavor to a2k that is unique; he seems to be well read, and tries to show it by his mention of all the classic writers of yesteryear.

His writing style is amusing although it goes from stately to stupor from one post to the next. His own contradictions adds to the sauce and humour. If one doesn't try to eat a whole meal with spendi's posts, it's a welcome change from the give and take on the political threads that I frequent.

spendi couldn't harm a flea.

I tend to agree with ros. Spendi seems to be here for no good reason and hes rather impious at anything not authored by him and hes quite a lady hater to an almost clinical level. His good contributions are almost in spite of himself.

How so? When you lot talk about a fin changing to a wing you don't fill in the bits in between.

Are you saying that we haven't evolved socially and economically and psychologically from the former to the latter.

The latter being simply a microcosmic example I drew to make the point. You can fill in your own version without changing that point.

Why is it "stupid"? Isn't it stupid to just say it was stupid without explanation? To accept that it is stupid on your say so ros is to assume you are the oracle of wisdom. That is really stupid.

You must win every argument you are ever in if your protagonist can be just deemed "stupid" without explanation.

It's stupid to fail to answer the two questions I posed and then carry on coming on the thread as if your credibility has not been shredded.

It seems quite obvious from your position that in your disputes you are happy to dispense with judges and juries and declare yourself the victor without reference to anything other than your stupid blurt.

It's a bit girly don't you think? Grown men are not supposed to argue in that fashion. You just cancelled out all the law.

I suppose you'll be voting for the candidate who isn't stupid next November and if you are right in your choice one can't imagine anybody voting for anybody else.

What else is stupid besides me. Orient us all on the range of issues we are confused about. Was the interest rate cut yesterday stupid?

Your post was trolling goodstyle. Fancy coming on this prestigious thread to show yourself up in that crude fashion when you having nothing to say.

"Stupid" means nothing unless you are Big Brother and have guns and tanks to back it up. And a secret police.

Do you sell empty plastic bags for a living? And anybody complains is just "stupid".

Do you shout at the telly?

It's an odd sort of imagery your mind has retained with the song excerpt you quoted.

And are we all being directed to have the same sense of humour as you?

There might well be nothing funny about my contributions to you but c.i. disagrees with you and possibly others do. You're caught instructing c.i. what's funny and what isn't.

I'm content to leave it to the viewers to decide your level of stupidity.

My statement was a slightly poetic way of saying that we have developed from a horrorshow to our life of luxury and that a key component of that development was the notion of an intelligent designer, a notion being unrelated to whether there is actually an intelligent designer, and you are challenged to explain how an atheist notion, which is also unrelated to whether there actually is an intelligent designer or not, could have worked the same miracle.

c.i. wrote-



Another false assertion. I mention various writers for the benefit of people who come on here to learn something, as I do. My choice of who to mention is determined mainly by my knowledge of which writers are likely to have been removed from your libraries and educational systems by the PC brigade. As AIDs-ers are, by definition, fully paid-up members of that brigade I can understand why you belittle the process but the viewers have their own minds to consult about the merits of your strictures.

Have any of your school libraries got a copy of the works of Frank Harris?
Is he ever mentioned in your truth telling lesson schemes?

Fancy stealing a writer like that off all the young lads and putting that bunch of clowns fm mentions in their place. cavfancier was a fan of Frank Harris. Mr Harris invented tabloid journalism. At his own expense, and at some risk to himself, he had a boat readied to take Oscar Wilde out of reach of the law which imprisoned homosexual men and there never was a more heterosexual man ever walked the earth than dear old Frank.

You lot are just trying to indoctrinate the kids. I'm trying to provide them with a glimpse of the education you are stealing off of them with your egotistical, primary school word games.

GB Shaw won the Nobel prize for literature and was declared by some literary experts to be "Man of the Century" mad as he was.

take him by the hand

well, at least , for spendi, weve got a reference to someone most "recently ded", when did HArris die, in the 30"s?

Theres a pattern here that spendi established early. He is trying to interven with offhanded references to long deads who could possibly have some value in the present discussion. (Thats his hope, or else he just likes to "mess about in boats")


Hes a very good writer , he just needs good readers

fm wrote-



He "tends". Nothing definite. I "seem" to be doing something or other. I'm "rather impious". And "quite" a lady hater. And to an "almost" clinical level whatever that is.

What do you come on for fm?

That post was blather. It didn't "tend" to blather. It was blather. It doesn't "seem" to be blather. It was pure unadulterated blather. It wasn't "rather" blatherous. It was blatherous all the way.

Do you normally go around using these devious word formations to give an impression which you haven't actually given for anybody who has mastered elementary reading? That's "quite" a feat I must say.

I would rather show my arse in Bloomingdale's main window than display such insults to A2Ker's intelligence as that load of mush.

Jeeps!! Anybody dead is now out of court. Standing the human race's most rigorous time test is no longer a valid standard.

Wow!!

"Look out kid-they keep it all hid."

moving on