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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
spendius
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 04:40 pm
No it wasn't.

I couldn't make head or tail of TCR's post though but I could sense that witty sarcasms were intended. I studied it for a while but I couldn't get a handle on it. There was no irony that I could detect. Not by Pater's standards anyway and I'm up there with irony.

My statement was taking advantage of poetic licence. How could I be expected to be in rap's class when everybody knows how dim and dense I am.

I actually don't think that it is true, theoretically, that there will be a certainty that no C-14 is left. Ever.

Then it's a matter of instrument sensitivity. rap is taking about crude instruments.
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spendius
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 05:59 pm
What does it have to do with me that technologists want to go around taking advantage of the population only having an average IQ of 100 to pretend they are scientists?

Don't bimbos pretend they are not fecundity chambers?
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raprap
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:00 pm
spendius wrote:
I actually don't think that it is true, theoretically, that there will be a certainty that no C-14 is left. Ever.

Then it's a matter of instrument sensitivity. rap is taking about crude instruments.


Could be but doubtful---after all 2^100,000 >> 6.023E23

6.023E23 ~= 2^79

& 80 half lives of C-14 is about 400,000 years.

Rap
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raprap
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:04 pm
spendius wrote:
What does it have to do with me that technologists want to go around taking advantage of the population only having an average IQ of 100 to pretend they are scientists?

Don't bimbos pretend they are not fecundity chambers?


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"Being intelligent is not a felony, but most societies evaluate it as at least a misdemeanor."
Notebook of Lazarus Long

Rap
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farmerman
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:28 pm
Rap, any protracted argument about anything techie with spendi, will result in him coiling up like a pillbug with occasional spurts of irrelevancies to deflect further snipes. Ive always felt that, with him, you can accomplish more with humor than you can with truth. At least with humor, he will be mildly involved while with truth, because he doesnt get it, he just gets mean as an old snapper and starts biting at the air hoping to hit something.
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spendius
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:32 pm
How about some science about what's going on here and now.

There's not a soul in the pub, or any pub I've ever been in, who(or which)gives two flying fornications about what happened 400,000 years ago.

And they all have a vote. You have to be old enough to go in a pub to get to vote.
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spendius
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:35 pm
fm wrote-

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he just gets mean as an old snapper and starts biting at the air hoping to hit something.


No. Nah. I try to grab at the lightning. I gave up biting the air a long time ago.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:37 pm
well see spendi, you guys wouldnt want to take all the time to get approved as electorate in the US, we usually close the bars on election day.
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spendius
 
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Wed 5 Mar, 2008 06:42 pm
That's a good enough reason for postponing elections sine die.
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 10:07 am
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wandeljw
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 10:10 am
FLORIDA UPDATE

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Storms champions ignorance
(By Bill Maxwell, St. Petersburg Times Columnist, March 6, 2008)

With state Sen. Ronda Storms officially joining the debate over the teaching of evolution in Florida's public schools, reasonable residents should be wary and should contact their legislators today.

A Brandon Republican, Storms has filed a bill she calls the "Academic Freedom Act" (SB 2692). Ostensibly, the measure will provide "public school teachers with a right to present scientific information relevant to the full range of views on biological and chemical origins."

She wants to circumvent the recent action of the state Board of Education approving science standards that embrace the teaching of evolution. She wants teachers to be free to discuss creationism or intelligent design alongside what she deems to be the debatable "theory" of evolution.

Why, I keep asking myself, do we have elected officials, including House Speaker Marco Rubio, and so many average citizens who are amenable to keeping our children ignorant of scientific principles?

I keep thinking back to my youth and how I was taught science in the two Florida high schools I attended during the early 1960s. I compared notes with a St. Petersburg Times colleague who also graduated from a Florida high school during the 1960s. I attended all-black schools; he an all-white school.

Neither of us could remember the biblical version of mankind's creation ever being mentioned in our classrooms.

In my case, all of my relatives, except for a few incurable profligates, were devout Christians. My mother was God-fearing. Jesus Christ was her companion and savior. Her Bible was never far from her side, even at work. I admired her for her calm, reassuring faith.

My grandfather was a Pentecostal minister, and he made the book of Genesis - where the creation is narrated, where mankind falls from grace - a living experience. I learned every chapter of Genesis. I knew that "in the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth," and I knew that the "Earth was without form, and void."

My friends and I had a lot of fun with Chapter 5, which we referred to as the "begat story." In the chapter, 32 verses in all, the generations of Adam are named, where "Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos," and "Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters...."

We joked about how Adam, Enos and Seth and all the others physically consummated all of those "begats."

Even though the adults in our lives were true believers, the Bible stayed at home and in the pews of our churches. We were taught Charles Darwin's theory of evolution in the classroom. No one from the outside interfered. We did not hear from parents, preachers, politicians, lawyers or judges. Our teachers and our principal, Harry Burney Jr., were in charge of our formal education.

To make sure that I am not viewing my school years through rose-colored glasses, I telephoned two former classmates from 11th grade to check my memory. They agreed that we did not have any trouble whatsoever with Darwin and evolution. We decided that either intentionally or unintentionally, or spoken or unspoken, our parents and teachers and principal had drawn a hard line between the Bible and science.

They wanted us to achieve academically. They wanted us to attend college and to have great careers. They wanted us to learn the scientific method and scientific principles, the tools we would need in the big, hostile world beyond Crescent City.

The adults in our lives had common sense. The Bible had its place. That place was not in science instruction.

Now, however, too many Floridians, led by the likes of Storms, Rubio and state Board of Education member Donna Callaway, are channeling the ghosts of the Scopes Monkey Trial of 1925 in Tennessee. There, John Scopes, a high school teacher, was charged with teaching evolution from a chapter in a textbook that discussed ideas developed from those established in Darwin's book On the Origin of Species. The case pitted prosecutor William Jennings Bryan against the legendary Clarence Darrow for the defense.

Again reasonable people should ask lawmakers in Tallahassee to keep Florida moving toward enlightenment by tossing out Storms' backward-looking bill.

If passed, it will permit the teaching of creationism and intelligent design in our science classes.
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 10:43 am
The Notebook of Lazarus Long, as it has been quoted as a source of scientific truth by rap, also states-

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Most "scientists" are bottle washers and button sorters.


That's a more poetic style that my "trial and error" scientists. And kids do trial and error.
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raprap
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 11:25 am
spendius wrote:
The Notebook of Lazarus Long, as it has been quoted as a source of scientific truth by rap, also states-

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Most "scientists" are bottle washers and button sorters.


That's a more poetic style that my "trial and error" scientists. And kids do trial and error.


I view the Notebooks of Lazarus Long as the 20th century extension of Poor Richard and The Devil's Dictionary (among I'm sure-many others) a series of sniglets sometimes hiding potent wisdom. Unfortunately for your version of the she subject at hand Darwin, Lyell, and Wallace weren't button sorters and bottle washers. As for trial and error scientists, Edison and Faraday both fit that description and history has proven that neither of them were button sorters and bottle washers either.

Since Lazarus is being tossed about the Notebooks have several religious quips, one of which that is quite pertinent is'

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The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all of history.


Along with these tidbits of wisdom
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Always store beer in a dark place

and
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Never underestimate the power of stupidity


Rap
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 11:58 am
wande quoted, despite the continued irrelevance to the thread topic-

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They wanted us to achieve academically. They wanted us to attend college and to have great careers. They wanted us to learn the scientific method and scientific principles, the tools we would need in the big, hostile world beyond Crescent City.


Elitist, snobbish, crowing claptrap.

Everybody's going to achieve academically like Bill. They are all going to college and have great careers like Bill does in an occupation most intellectuals equate with prostitution. They are all to learn the scientific method and become drystick pedants like Bill shows himself to be. And they are all going out into the big hostile world beyond their hometown and roots like the hero of Titanic did.

No sweepers up. No plumbers. No miners. No farmers. No grease monkeys. No layabouts. No shopgirls. No waiters.

Oh no. None of that. All a big deal success like Bill is.

He wants-

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a right to present scientific information relevant to the full range of views on biological and chemical origins."


Oh no he doesn't. Just the parts he can stomach.

And here's the old reverse invidious comparison again-

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Why, I keep asking myself, do we have elected officials, including House Speaker Marco Rubio, and so many average citizens who are amenable to keeping our children ignorant of scientific principles?


Which implies, but by no means proves, that Bill is up to speed on scientific principles.

I'll bet he has no recollection of the two sections of Genesis I linked to the other day. All he has is a smirking selective memory of begatting (shagging). {Sex it up Bill!! Ed.}

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Why, I keep asking myself, do we have elected officials, including House Speaker Marco Rubio, and so many average citizens who are amenable to keeping our children ignorant of scientific principles?


Because more people voted for them you silly Billy. You can't get much thicker than finding yourself keeping asking yourself such a bloody stupid question like that. He's moving towards totalitarianism. Bill should be appointing the officials obviously. The public cannot be trusted with such an important task.

Notice that he compared notes with someone at the next desk. Another brilliant academic no doubt.

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Neither of us could remember the biblical version of mankind's creation ever being mentioned in our classrooms.


Neither can I. The stories are so widespread that it would be difficult for anybody to remember that it was a classroom setting where they were heard. Bill, and his colleague, do remember the stories though which proves, by his own argument, that the stories should be censored out of everything and not just the classroom.

If his thesis that exposure to the biblical version of mankind's creation is running the US down the tube and he was not exposed to the story in the classroom shouldn't he be attacking the sources which he must have been exposed to to know about it.

Then this appears-

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In my case, all of my relatives, except for a few incurable profligates, were devout Christians. My mother was God-fearing. Jesus Christ was her companion and savior. Her Bible was never far from her side, even at work. I admired her for her calm, reassuring faith.


A finer panegyric of Christianity and the Bible cannot be imagined unless one is an incurable profilgate and of a frenzied, nervous disposition.

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We were taught Charles Darwin's theory of evolution in the classroom.


And this the result. A cracked-up and confused mad ranting machine filling up the white space on the other side of the massage parlour and other sex related adverts with which his wages are paid.

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If passed, it will permit the teaching of creationism and intelligent design in our science classes.


Which will lead to the banning of those types of adverts as there are signs it is doing here.

What a silly man. What on earth are you thinking about wande putting his ridiculous, patronising, special pleading bullshit onto your own thread on an international science forum.

Scientific principles my fat arse. There's not a syllable of science in his whole begging spiel.
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 12:17 pm
rap quoted-

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The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all of history.


The first sentence is perfectly true. The second is baloney. The Church is the most productive industry in all of history and by a very wide margin. One only has to look at productivity before the Church got into gear to understand a simple thing like that.

Imagine a 170 oared trireme going up against USS George Washington. And the idea of the Senate meeting in secret is laughable.

Did anybody else outside Christianity have-

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There was a holiday version of Cookie Puss specific to Saint Patrick's Day, called Cookie O'Puss. It was similar to the original but with green icing accents and a leprechaun-style hat. For Valentine's Day, Carvel sold a version called Cupie Puss.


Swallow it whole rap--you know it makes sense.

Storing beer in a dark place predates Lazarus by a lot of years.

And stupidity is the collective actions of evolution's creatures without mitigation from Christianity.
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raprap
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 01:38 pm
spendius wrote:
Imagine a 170 oared trireme going up against USS George Washington.


http://www.fstdt.com/funnyimages/uploads/201.JPG

Rap
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 02:18 pm
Classy.

I was going to take you up on " Darwin, Lyell, and Wallace weren't button sorters and bottle washers."

But I'll let you off.

None of them could jive.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 05:16 pm
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None of them could jive.


SHittin me?
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spendius
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 06:34 pm
Well fm-

I'm assuming chucking a shot of jism into long suffering Emma as soon as the stitches were out is not jiving.

Especially when the first few turned out a bit goofey.
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farmerman
 
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Thu 6 Mar, 2008 06:38 pm
Im betting that you were born in the mid 1930's spendi. That accounts for your unique wording and your lack of awareness of more recent culture.
Theres a color field exhibit in DC coming up. That , coupled with Henry Mancini music, might be just up your alley.
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