Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

spendi, Shame on you! The mistake that the earth is flat does not negate the fact that the earth spins. If the sun stops for a day, it means the earth stops spinning. Logic, dear boy.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

spendi, Shame on you! The mistake that the earth is flat does not negate the fact that the earth spins. If the sun stops for a day, it means the earth stops spinning. Logic, dear boy.

Spendi's gambrinous.

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FM, if you ever get this thread turned around to Hummers and Porsches, please contact Dys. Thanks.

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The whole issue of the scientific belief that the Earth was flat included the presumption that if one traveled beyond the edge, one would fall off into oblivion. This scientific belief therefore included the presumption that the Sun revolved around the Earth, otherwise we surely would all fall off a spinning Earth when the inhabited surface tilted away from the Sun. Copernicus, and Galileo, were both widely condemned by the Scientific community when they challenged this theory and especially when some of their theories were adverse to those of a highly esteemed Aristotle deemed the great grandfather of modern science.

Both Copernicus and Galileo were good Catholics. Copernicus chose not to openly violate the Aristotlean doctrines and flat Earth concepts to avoid threat of excommunication. Galileo was not excommunicated for his scientific views but rather because of his defiance to the orders of the Pope to not publish or speak of them. (The Church subsequently became accepting to new scientific discoveries and restored Galileo to good standing.)

When it comes to ID, I still do not think it appropriate to teach ID as science, but I definitely think it would behoove the anti-ID group to develop at least as much open mindedness as has the Church Smile

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wandeljw wrote:

Website which links to the Discovery Institute:
academicfreedomact.org

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Academic Freedom Act
It simply allows a teacher, if they wish, to encourage learning and critical thinking about controversial issues; and protects students who respectfully already do.

Academic Freedom as described above is already happening. There is no reason to enact a redundant law to facilitate what is already happening.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

xingu, Good point; without the earth's spinning, gravity would be lost, and everything would be flying off the planet.

Huh? What?

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Fox, "Open mindedness?" About what?

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How about the highest creation of evolution being one that can dominate the rest of the animal world, even to the extent of patronising endangered species and keeping them going artificially, by distancing itself from the determined laws of the evolutionary process itself in the teachings of Jesus.

The fact that human beings revert to evolutionary principles a great deal is not only seen as degenerate by most civilised people but it detracts not one whit from those teachings.

We are imperfect but our imperfections cannot be allowed to bury the ideal and that is what AIDs-ers seek to do whether they know it or not.

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Foxfyre wrote:

When it comes to ID, I still do not think it appropriate to teach ID as science, but I definitely think it would behoove the anti-ID group to develop at least as much open mindedness as has the Church

If we were any more open-minded, our brains might fall out! Smile

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wandeljw wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
When it comes to ID, I still do not think it appropriate to teach ID as science, but I definitely think it would behoove the anti-ID group to develop at least as much open mindedness as has the Church

If we were any more open-minded, our brains might fall out!

Ah well, I hadn't thought of that. But it does explain a lot. Smile

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rosborne979 wrote:

wandeljw wrote:
Website which links to the Discovery Institute:
academicfreedomact.org

Quote:
Academic Freedom Act
It simply allows a teacher, if they wish, to encourage learning and critical thinking about controversial issues; and protects students who respectfully already do.

Academic Freedom as described above is already happening. There is no reason to enact a redundant law to facilitate what is already happening.

rosborne,

Did you look at the website? I believe that this particular effort to legislate academic freedom is the work of Casey Luskin, an attorney who is the public policy advisor for the Discovery Institute.

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Isn't "Academic Freedom" an oxymoron - espcially from this org? Who's the one trying to push an agenda here?

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wande-

Instead of trotting out this banality-

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If we were any more open-minded, our brains might fall out!

why don't you try to be open-minded about my previous post. It is supposed to be a debate from which we all hope to be Abled 2 Know something we hadn't previously known. Your post, as with most of them, are devoid of such characteristics.

Your responses to my posts in general are a symptom of close-mindedness of the alpha category. You are scared witless at the mention of de Sade or sex and de Sade was the original and brilliant exponent of AIDs-ing and suffered years of tormenting incarceration for it. Could it be because you don't wish to know what's on the end of the AIDs-ing.

And what say you to my charge that by not sending a contribution to Barney's opponent you are "armchair Americans". You have been maintaining for three years now that if Barney & Co win America will go down the tube. From the things you have said you ought to be down there in Dallas helping the frail lady out and not letting her take the heat.

Isn't it a fine old American tradition to get your finger out for the cause you believe in. And stopping America going down the tube is as good a cause as many another that others get their cash and the finger out for.

What say you wande? Never mind these head-in-a-bag witticisms which Foxy can bend the barrel of through 180 degrees ahead of the discharge.

Our viewers want a debate?

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wandeljw wrote:

rosborne,

Did you look at the website? I believe that this particular effort to legislate academic freedom is the work of Casey Luskin, an attorney who is the public policy advisor for the Discovery Institute.

Hi Wand, I didn't need to read the website to know that the whole idea is being pushed by ID propaganda. This is the same type of tactic as "warning stickers" on biology books.

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WARNING: This textbook may have ID germs within it. Tread lightly, cause you'll flunk college biology if you trust the IDiot's declarations about anything to do with science.

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Diest TKO wrote:

real life wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
real life wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:

(The Bible) has so many..... omissions.......

Really?

How many things are omitted?

Somewhere between 1 and a number greater than the number of canon entries.

Why does the exact number matter? Are you ready to argue that the roman church has not edited the bible?

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It's an interesting discussion when someone argues that they don't agree with what is IN the Bible.

It's hysterically funny when someone argues about what ISN'T in the Bible.

There's no maps of Argentina in the Bible. It's omitted. hmmmmmmmmm maybe the Bible isn't accurate because of this glaring omission...........

Well for starts, there was no Argentina at the time the Bible was crafted. Also the bible certianly isn't a geography book, but it along with the church certainly promoted the idea of a flat earth. You're trying to dodge the cold hard irrefutable fact that the Bible is a collection or cherry picked entries. The rest of the entries are OMITTED.

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There are many facts which are not included in your post. They have obviously been omitted on purpose.

Your address and phone #, for instance. Factual info that you have intentionally omitted.

Therefore, your post is not to be trusted, is it? Too many omissions.

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Come on lads.

Your failure to answer my posts is getting noticed.

At least talking about Olivia's new hairstyle might make sense.

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rl

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There are many facts which are not included in your post. They have obviously been omitted on purpose.

Noone here claims complete inerrancy for their posts, theres always new stuff coming down the pike. Unfortunately you claim that scientific truths lie within the Scriptures, yet you feel convinced of the value of making up vast amounts of unknown information that appends scripture to some scientific point that the Bible never mentions but you feel that the point is mentioned in a few phrases, like"THere were giants in those days" or "Behemoth"... .

MAJOR CAse in point'THE FLOOD. You believe it happened cause the Bible sez so. Yet the Bible is quite or evidence light on any factual data about this event. Genesis presents a series of connected yarns about Noah and his family and wickedness and building a boat then it rains, yadda yadda. All the argumenst that you attempt to make for the FLOOD, are your own, not the Bibles, and wed really like to see the discussions of mountain building and plate tectonics and flood deposits, and how things appear in the fossil record if there really was a flood.
Whats left to you is to come up with and "fill in" vast amounts of materials that are critical to that story's veracity yet go unmentioned in the original source. Now thats just one omission.

STUFF LIKE THAT.

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I did that for you fm. You ignored it as usual.

Why couldn't the interaction of the plates produce, at random, a levelling out of all the non-water constituents of the earth. It's pretty level from the Urals to Alaska and in a lot of other places. You can't rule that out.

If all the ocean floors,mountains and prairies became just for a short while roughly level on their way to going back to what we are used to wouldn't there be a flood?

And thus a pretty story to explain it unscientifically to the masses, who are not noted for their scientific rigour, doesn't take all that much intelligence to understand.

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Of couse there was a flood. Almost every ancient culture has a flood story that is no more and no less plausible than the Noah story in the Bible. So it is reasonable to assume that there was a massive flood in the ancient world and, as the people had no way to assess the scope of it, and having no way to know how big the world is, they assumed that water as far as the eye could see covered the entire world.

The early stories in Genesis, however, are carefully crafted to begin with a perfect world and then step by step, through story after story, explain how sin entered into it and spread from one to another to the family, to the immediate community, and then to all the world corrupting and forever changing God's perfect Creation. The recurring theme is one of continual Creation, Sin (corruption of creation), Judgment (the consequences for sin), and Redemption (do-over; beginning again).

History or theological allegory? It doesn't really matter to me, and I am happy with however the Scriptures speak to folks. When I teach this stuff I do not attempt to interpret how it is to be. I attempt to show them the structure, put things in chronological order and into historical and geographical perspective, point out what is there, and allow them to draw whatever conclusions come to them.

Actually I think Science and most other subjects should be taught in the same way.

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