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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:01 pm
I'm really surprised that spendi doesn't know the difference between nuclear and chemical energy.
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spendius
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:35 pm
continuation-

Do you not understand Foxy that some books are only allowed to be published if they are couched in language that hoi polloi can't understand.

Why do you capitalise ANY and then qualify it with your reservations about what you call "hard core pornograhy".

Which begs the question how hard is hard?

And "unlikely" is a bit iffy on a science thread.

I do,of course, recognise that mentioning Marx, Frankl, Balance Neitzsche with Augustine or Luther is designed to allow us to gain the impression that you are familiar with these works. And that the "ETC" is to give us the impression of a whole lot more besides.

Chum tried a similar trick earlier when he admitted his ignorance of something or other in order to give more credence to his expertise in something else or other. I think it was Chum. My memory doesn't retain that sort of thing for all that long I'm afraid.

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I will continue being Christian secure in the experienced reality and truth of ID as well as wanting all children to be taught the basics of good science, including Darwin.


That suggests to me that you don't fully understand Darwin's theory. One of the people he sent a presentation copy to, I forget who, wrote him a thank-you note for the best long laugh he had ever had. It's the basics that are the problem. That's what they missed out at Dover. The basics. Understandably.

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I will continue to believe that there is nothing that is not worth knowing and that children benefit most from being taught all aspects of every subject along with encouragement to think and reason critically. If education does its job, unindoctrinated children invariably become those who contribute their own special gifts and knowledge adding to the sum total of what humans can know in the world. Indoctrinate them and they will not likely be capable of any original thought.


That is a manifesto for avoiding school altogether. School, especially under the direction and guidance of these boards of busybodies, is one serious indoctrination zone of operation and a perfect pinball machine for control freaks to play on.

When did anybody last have an "original thought"? I hope you don't think Foxy that you have had any of those. Perish the thought.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:38 pm
spendius wrote:
... When did anybody last have an "original thought"? I hope you don't think Foxy that you have had any of those. Perish the thought.


Do you claim any for yourself, Spendi??
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spendius
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:39 pm
c.i. wrote-

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I'm really surprised that spendi doesn't know the difference between nuclear and chemical energy.


I trust viewers will not be vodooed into thinking that c.i. knows the difference by that cheapskate sweetie.
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spendius
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:42 pm
George-

Not a single solitary one I'm afraid. I can't even imagine what an "original thought" is.

Jesus had one I believe.
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spendius
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 06:50 pm
Cripes--

Are 300 million Yanks having original thoughts all day long?

Or is it just the A2Kers?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:00 pm
spendius wrote:
Cripes--

Are 300 million Yanks having original thoughts all day long?

Or is it just the A2Kers?


spendi, You make up for all of England and Ireland.
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georgeob1
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:06 pm
spendius wrote:
Cripes--

Are 300 million Yanks having original thoughts all day long?

Or is it just the A2Kers?


No claims here. I was just trying to calibrate the implied assertion in your question to Foxfyre.
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spendius
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 07:14 pm
I was attempting to assist you George in your scientific quest.

My next trick is to go to bed. How original is that?
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Chumly
 
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Fri 15 Feb, 2008 08:51 pm
The heartwarming bloodsport that is spendius........
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Diest TKO
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 04:56 am
spendius wrote:
George-

Not a single solitary one I'm afraid. I can't even imagine what an "original thought" is.

Jesus had one I believe.


Sun Tzu
Ghandi
Einstien
John Lennon
...

All had original thoughts.

T
K
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farmerman
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 06:03 am
spendi is living proof that the embryo does not develop from the yolk.
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wandeljw
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 06:45 am
FLORIDA UPDATE

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State Board of Education to vote on evolution - as a 'theory'
(Leslie Postal, Orlando Sentinel, February 16, 2008)

A revised version of Florida's science standards will go to the State Board of Education on Tuesday, possibly calming the outcry over how evolution is to be taught in public schools.

The change would insert a single phrase -- "the scientific theory of" -- before the word evolution, as well as other topics, such as the big bang and plate tectonics, said Tom Butler, spokesman for the Florida Department of Education.

The new version will be presented as another option for the seven-member board to consider. It comes in response to "the input we've received from the public," Butler said.

The new standards would, for the first time, require teaching evolution to Florida's public-school students. The board is set to vote on the standards at its Tuesday meeting in Tallahassee.

Hundreds have attended public hearings on the new standards, and more than 10,000 logged on to the state Web site to post their views. Many were upset the state planned to teach evolution as the "fundamental concept underlying all of biology," and as a concept "supported by multiple forms of scientific evidence." They argued that other beliefs about how life on Earth started and developed should be taught, too.

The revisions do not change the basic descriptions of evolution, Butler said, but simply add the "scientific theory" phrase.

By adding the word theory, which many opponents of the standards had argued for, the new version may appease those who do not view evolution as a scientific fact or those whose religious beliefs are in conflict with evolution.

State Rep. Marti Coley, R-Marianna, said she had not heard about the change but thought it might appeal to her Panhandle constituents, who have been among the harshest critics of the new standards.

"All that we're asking is that they use the word theory," Coley said. "As long as they have the word theory to acknowledge that everything with it is not 100 percent proven, that would be good."

Some school boards in North Florida have passed resolutions opposing the standards and asking the state to make revisions.

State officials ran the new version by the scientists and science teachers who helped write them to ensure the wording remained "scientifically accurate," Butler said.

Those educators gave their approval to the new version, he added.

Paul Cottle, a physics professor at Florida State University, said he supports the new standards but understood the reasons behind the last-minute revisions.

"The goal is to make the standards more acceptable to a broader spectrum of the population," he said.
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Joe Nation
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 06:52 am
The Laws and Theories of Quantum Physics are composed entirely of original thoughts.

Joe(Don't look under Fossil Fuels to find them.)Nation
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spendius
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 07:38 am
Joe (visiting lecturer in quantum mechanics) Nation wrote-

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The Laws and Theories of Quantum Physics are composed entirely of original thoughts.


I understood they were figments of chemically altered brain states during a dinner at high table under a challenge to see what could be done to wannabees if the language you used enabled them to bask in its respendence.

They knew that a little detail relating to an object being in one place and then another without any time elapsing would not stand in the way of such a laudable objective.

They would think Judge Jones couldn't be in one place and then in another without any time elapsing but that's because you could see him, when it suited you, and these things were very small that could do it. So small that it made the distance they shifted themselves instantaneously very large relatively.

Judge Jones would have to shift himself to Alpha Centauri and back a few times instantaneously to match the feat.

Still- it's good fun, which was the idea in the first place.
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spendius
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 07:43 am
fm wrote in his usual witty urbane style-

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spendi is living proof that the embryo does not develop from the yolk.


Which came first--the yolk or the albumen?

I have been told that I was hatched out by the heat of the sun. By a non-commissioned officer no less.
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spendius
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 08:13 am
Chum wrote-

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spendius wrote:
If a nuclear reactor could provide the energy to keep itself fed with fuels and servicings wouldn't it be a perpetuum mobile.

There are breeder reactors, but they are not perpetual motion machines. No free (fish and chips) lunch.

spendius wrote:
Isn't a nuclear explosion merely a dramatic focussing of the energy from fossil fuels?

Nuclear energy is a different kettle of fish (and chips) than chemical energy.


Well- we got thinking about it in the pub as I said.

Why was a nuclear reactor different from a battery. Or a cartridge.

It isn't really a question of whether it is or it isn't. It's a question of thinking about it.

Are NRs as efficient as they are made out to be when all the fossil fuel inputs into them are taken into account. Could they be self sufficient in replacing those inputs, all of them, including of course the lifestyles of their staff, and leave enough left over to justify the evident risk they pose.

One cannot see the staff as abstractions as it is common to do with schoolkids. Abstractions are easily controlled. In the abstract I mean.

It was one of those nights when cleavage was absent.
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farmerman
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 08:48 am
I like the addition of the phrase that "The scientific theory of evolution "... is to be added.
The morons wont get it and the educated wont care cause its true.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 11:38 am
I like Timber's label best: IDiots; short and to the point.
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spendius
 
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Sat 16 Feb, 2008 12:16 pm
What happens if 7 member boards vote evolution unanimously out in 25 states and other 7 member boards vote evolution unanimously in in the rest?

I hope we haven't got another of those "edge of your seats" operations underway where each sides main protagonists are never out of the news.
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