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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
wandeljw
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 10:30 am
FLORIDA UPDATE

Quote:
School Official Opposes Evolution Standards Plan
(By John Chambliss, The Ledger, November 13, 2007)

A Polk County School Board member said Monday she wants the district to consider opposing proposed new science standards for Florida schools that would include specific mention of evolution for the first time.

The proposed standards intended to strengthen science education in Florida have widespread backing from the scientific community and have generated limited opposition statewide.

However, Polk board member Kay Fields objects to the portion of the standards that includes evolution, and she said she will talk with Superintendent Gail McKinzie this week about possible action the district can take.

"There needs to be intelligent design as well," Fields said. "You need to show both sides."

Fields said she's only received one phone call from a parent opposed to the new standards. The mother of two children who attend Polk schools told Fields she favored teaching intelligent design.

Response to the proposed standards has been generally favorable if a state Department of Education Web site seeking public comment is an indication.

As of Nov. 5, at least 70 percent of more than 4,000 people who rated the state standards at the Web site - www.flstandards.org - endorsed the new standards. The Web site lets people rate changes for each of the new science benchmarks, said Jonathan Smith, a Lakeland resident and a representative of the National Center for Science Education. Science teachers or science administrators accounted for the 3,076 of the comments.

About two-thirds of the comments left on the site were related to evolution, Smith said.

Smith's group supports the proposed standards and says there is overwhelming support in the scientific community for teaching evolution, while the idea of intelligent design is not scientifically valid.

Evolution is only a part of the new science standards, which were re-written to bolster science education in Florida. The proposed standards list evolution and biological diversity as one of the "big ideas" in which science education should be grounded.

Current state standards do not use the word evolution, preferring the term "biological changes over time." They will, if the standards are adopted by the state Board of Education in January.

Evolutionary science says life, including plants, animals and humans, developed through a series of small changes over a long period of time. The theory conflicts with the biblical interpretation of the Earth's creation and is strongly opposed by many conservative Christians.

The new standards do not include intelligent design, the idea that life began as a result of an intelligent force or being.

People have had limited opportunity to voice their opinions to state officials in person. Two meetings about the new standards were canceled.

The second and last meeting for the public to attend will be on Thursday in Orlando.

At the first meeting Saturday in Tallahassee, Wakulla County Board member Greg Thomas spoke out against the new standards.

"This will run afoul of many students and teachers," Thomas said Monday. "When I was taught this in public schools it was Darwin's theory of evolution."

Thomas called the changes "radical" and recommended the state continue to use the current standards.

Some others at the meeting approved of the changes.

A 45-member committee appointed by the state Department of Education began revising the science standards in May in response to a 2005 report on Florida's public school science curriculum by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a Washington-based nonprofit group.

The Fordham study said Florida's standards are "sorely lacking in content" and that life sciences and evolution are given "shorter shrift than any of the other" science topics.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 10:41 am
Ros, I was talking about the show with some habitues of the coffee shop this AM and I made sure all of them saw NOVA. They were unaware, like the lawyers , of the vast amts of evidence available, and one felloe, who is a Civil War buff was asking to borrow a text Id used for a Darwin survey course.
Maybe not all minds were opened but at least some tried out their rusty hinges.

Spendi-if youve not a clue about this subject or the trend of discussion, why not go over to some trivia thread and masturbate there. Your getting to be quite a space wasting bore over here. (I dont think Im alone ).

Maybe the troubles with you Horatio.
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 10:57 am
The NOVA entertainment has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. What was it-- an hour. The trial lasted ages didn't it. So selection was involved and if selection is involved those doing it are bringing to bear their received wisdom. Their agenda. They cannot help but distort and actually to render the proceedings absurd.

The fact that their agenda has your approval is also of no consequence to the subject of this thread despite our understanding your reasons for you trying to milk it.

And your coffee shop doings likewise.

I'm amazed George doesn't find the analysis of the coalition against ID, and religion in general, interesting or enlightening.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 11:05 am
Start yer own thread spendi. Dont tell people what, or what isnt the point of discussion. Youve been a troll since day one so go quaff a few more pints till you puke.


Besides you have no idea of what it is youre even talking about. Youre a parakeet at a lecturn. Words flow , but no meaning ensues.
Because you dont understand the subject , you try to muffle others and substitute your own bizarre reality. Poor schmuck.
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 11:17 am
Bernie just labelled that sort of thing the "get out of thinking free card" on another thread.

You start a thread about NOVA. It's a trivial incident.

And, in case you've forgotten with that convenience memory of yours, wande handed the thread over to me. He said it was my thread.

And you are ignoring George's strictures and so soon.

Religion/Science is the subject here not some itsy-bitsy editorial suite in a small TV company, which might or might not have happened, and some derivative and foggy gossip about it in a coffee shop which a flat-tyre would have liquidated from our view.
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 02:17 pm
Sglass wrote:
You know Ros, if you make it to the Hawaii a2k meet there is a great observatory on top of Mauna Loa.

Is the A2K Hawaii meeting being held at the observatory? That would be cool Smile
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rosborne979
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 02:27 pm
farmerman wrote:
Ros, I was talking about the show with some habitues of the coffee shop this AM and I made sure all of them saw NOVA. They were unaware, like the lawyers , of the vast amts of evidence available, and one felloe, who is a Civil War buff was asking to borrow a text Id used for a Darwin survey course. Maybe not all minds were opened but at least some tried out their rusty hinges.

When I was watching the show, I was bored with much of the background info in the first hour, but I kept reminding myself that many people didn't know the background and probably needed it (not just the evolution intro, but also the background on the case).

I think my girlfriend watched the show over her house, so when she comes over tonight I'll have to ask her what she thought of it.
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 02:51 pm
She'll probably say "Gee-it was cool" .

In the street slang sense I mean so that it doesn't mean anything related to temperature or the other meanings of the word to designate lack of excitement or enthusiasm or indifference or absence of emotion.

You'll need to check that ros otherwise you won't know what each of you is talking about.

fm has been whining at me, in his coffee shop conversation post I think, that I'm not on topic. That I'm a troll etc etc.

In what way do you think a cool A2K meeting up Mauna Loa is on topic on this thread and, what is even more fascinating, why isn't fm getting on at you or even himself for being off topic which he invariably is these days in his attempts to close down the opposition Musharref fashion.

Why do you all lose your cool in the face of one lone voice. Am I getting to you. Can you imagine a bunch of uncool anti-IDers up Muana Loa all being cool and opening the valves of pejorative hyperbole should my name come up or blowing a gasket even.

I can imagine the NOVA production team being cool as they fitted in ego flatterers for their target audience which, I sincerely hope, didn't include your lady friend.
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TheCorrectResponse
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 03:13 pm
ROS:
Since in reoccurring poles the percentage of adult Americans that think the earth revolves around the sun usually falls between 25-35% I'd say many could use all the background that they can get.

I can see FM's reactions to Spendi, I've had them myself and for the past year and a half even knew better. Here is an explanation of why I think everyone should give this poor soul some leeway, he really can't help it. Note the next to last paragraph.

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2894256#2894256
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 03:30 pm
You're right there TCR. I can't help it. Maybe I've seen too much and done too much and read too much.

You wouldn't want me to do that polite phoney stuff would you. A guy I know has just returned from two years working in Tulsa and when asked why he didn't stay he said you were all like cardboard cutouts with a movable mouth effusing stuff you've learned off greetings cards. Another guy did a month in Cal. and he just said you were all mad.

My admiration for America took a severe bashing I can tell you.

I am a "poor soul" too. Just like everybody else.

Are you saying that 65-75% of american adults think the sun goes round the earth? Does that affect their chances of having their genes selected in?
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TheCorrectResponse
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 04:02 pm
Spendi:
No, of course I meant that 25-35% think the sun revolves around the Earth. America hasn't fallen that far yet! And remember I'm here for ya buddy!
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 04:33 pm
Actually TCR, it's cool to think the earth is flat.

Quote:
The whole world is filled with speculation
The whole wide world which people say is round


Bob Dylan. Ain't Talkin'.

What a first verse that song has for an IDer.

For the senses the sun does go round the earth. Just like to the senses you think you're stationary on the sofa. You're actually doing 64,000 mph round the sun and 1,000 mph round the earth, probably out of synch, and possibly gyrating up a spout of dark matter at 0.£ the speed of light. So the sensual experience, and I'm confident you'll agree, is not as insignificant as some might try to make out.

I sometimes think Einstein invented his curved light thing for a religious reason. To provide the human race with a better grasp on infinity. He might have been gobsmacked when it was found to be true. It puts the cosmos back inside a sphere. It's just that the Greeks were poor at estimating heights. God's outside rolling it down a road with a stick.

Crazy eh?
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Vengoropatubus
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 06:03 pm
spendius wrote:
...when asked why he didn't stay he said you were all like cardboard cutouts with a movable mouth effusing stuff you've learned off greetings cards.
Well thank god there's a sane country on the planet, where people have moved from greeting cards to books of philosophy. Perhaps in another hundred years or so someone will finally say something original in a conversation.
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TheCorrectResponse
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 06:11 pm
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff293/justAsking99/pearls2.jpg


Not "crazy"...more like "Reality Challenged"
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spendius
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 06:38 pm
Has anybody any idea what the word "flat" means.

There were blokes in the pub tonight doing thought experiments with 20,000 mile long scientifically flat planks. They ended up that they had to be curved to be flat simply by imagining a spirit level on the bar-top and another spirit level on a bar-top in Tokyo. They have gone home believing that the earth is assuredly flat and by tomorrow morning they will be about 4 or 5 hundred thousand miles from where they were when they got into bed and facing in a different direction three dimensionally although not one of their own choosing.
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Chumly
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 07:27 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Ros, I was talking about the show with some habitues of the coffee shop this AM and I made sure all of them saw NOVA. They were unaware, like the lawyers , of the vast amts of evidence available, and one felloe, who is a Civil War buff was asking to borrow a text Id used for a Darwin survey course. Maybe not all minds were opened but at least some tried out their rusty hinges.

When I was watching the show, I was bored with much of the background info in the first hour, but I kept reminding myself that many people didn't know the background and probably needed it (not just the evolution intro, but also the background on the case).

I think my girlfriend watched the show over her house, so when she comes over tonight I'll have to ask her what she thought of it.
I felt the show was paced very well for the average viewer. Being an alien (Canadian) I guess I could be a potential candidate for the intelligent designer.

BTW, in any of this Dover kefuffle was the point ever made that a sufficiently advanced alien race could be the intelligent designer instead of a supernatural force? Assuming (of course) there was evidence for irreducible complexity and sudden appearances on the evolutionary tree.

Since Canadians are so much more advanced than Americans, and Americans perceive Canadians to be aliens, my scientific viewpoint must be given equal time.
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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 09:13 pm
Here's the Nova page... http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/id/

And a piece from TPM... http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2007/nov/14/conservatisms_unintelligent_design
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farmerman
 
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Wed 14 Nov, 2007 10:43 pm
CHUMLY, if your postulate had any merit, the genetic complement of Canadians would naturally be transmitted within the US gene pool,Since there are no US citizens with one big eye in the center of their heads similar to that in a CAnadians physiognomy, I can only conclude that Canadians were NOT the intelligent designers.

ANyway, if the CAnadians were so damn smart, how come they wound up with the ice box and the dummies to the south wound up with Miami.?
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blatham
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:04 am
Apparently farmerman has never skiied in the Monashee mountains.
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Chumly
 
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Thu 15 Nov, 2007 02:02 am
This should help our inferior American neighbors reach their potential as intended by us Great Northern Alien Intelligent Designers:

Opening the third eye/pineal gland

Warning: This is a very powerful exercise and as with all powerful practices, your body will go through discomfort in order to adapt.
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