Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

I know Kenny Lay was quite visibly active as a Pharisee in his circle of Saints.

You can always trust an anti-IDer to bring in some "incident" to try to counter a general point as if an incident proves anything scientifically. And then pop a lemon curry twirly assertion on the top.

I didn't bring it up. I commented on it.

It is obvious that a decline in Christian values (= a decline in condemnation of masturbation among other things) will result in the practice being "outed". The first "well spread" centrefold has resulted in a mass market for them. I don't think there will be a mass market for Kenny Lays.

fm is confusing someone who acts like a Christian with someone who is a Christian. He cannot see that the existence of the former type says nothing about the latter type so he gives examples of the one to try to discredit the other. That's intellectual bankruptcy. And assumes the viewers are intellectually bankrupt as well.

fm is confusing someone who acts like a Christian with someone who is a Christian.

You can always trust an anti-IDer to bring in some "incident" to try to counter a general point as if an incident proves anything scientifically. And then pop a lemon curry twirly assertion on the top

I merely like to remind our perspicacious readers (who, despite spendis assertions, seem to be in the majority since very few actually buy spendis tripe)

you present your hearsay evidence of are a small proportion of the population

It is possible that computer debates select a bias in their members. It is also possible that people who agree with me (a large majority of the population if not of this thread's posters)...

You have no evidence for that.

...have given up arguing with people who debate in the manner you do and are content to leave you to your views.

Ive had examples of companies run with the leadership adopting a "Uber Christian" positivism. A number of these companies, mostly niche type services, managed to enrich the owners by prevailing on the Christian good will of their employees. In other words, "Use their Christianity against them" , or as William Dukenfield stated, "Theres a sucker born every minute"

The above quote is true of you, actually. I gave up months ago. Don't know why I even bothered to start up again.

You were the one that brought the issue to attention. None of us would have even mentioned it in the topic, so you brought it up.

why Christian values would be any better than Buddhist values, Islamic values or even Hindu values.

You're equating people against intelligent design as being morally bankrupt,

Now he worships....at an altar....
Of a stagnant pool
And when he sees his reflection...
He's fulfilled...

Dinosaurs in Garden of Eden?
(LOUISE BROWN, EDUCATION REPORTER, TORONTO STAR, SEPTEMBER 7, 2007)

In a province where evolution isn't mentioned in the curriculum until high school - and only in three optional courses - elementary schools get no firm guidelines on how to explain the origins of life.

Yet publicly funded schools, both public and Catholic, say they steer clear of Adam and Eve in explaining the origins of the universe.

"When Catholics look at who is responsible for Creation, the answer is God. But how He created this wonderful universe? That's a matter for science - and the space shuttle, and the Hubble telescope, and carbon-dating," said Noel Martin, director of Catholic education for the Ontario Catholic School Trustees' Association, which represents Ontario's Catholic boards.

While Catholic schools teach religious education for a portion of each day from kindergarten to Grade 12 - and start in Grade 7 to discuss how God created the universe - this never contradicts the science of evolution that is taught in high school biology and chemistry classes, said Martin.

"We have irrefutable evidence the world was created billions of years ago - not thousands of years, as the story of Genesis suggests if you take it literally, which really you can't.

"Our faith tells us the universe was created by a benevolent God, but Genesis was simply a story created by people who did not yet have scientific explanations for how this beautiful world was created."

Ontario Conservative Leader John Tory, who has pledged full funding of private faith-based schools if elected, drew fire Wednesday by suggesting such schools would be permitted to teach "creationism," the theory that God created the universe in seven days - literally - as described in the Book of Genesis.

Some Christian schools do believe this, and should be allowed to teach it until scientists agree "beyond a doubt" that the world could not have been made in seven days, says the head of a group of 78 Christian private schools.

John Vannasselt of the Ontario Alliance of Christian Schools said there is still too much scientific debate about the origin of human beings for any government to dictate "one doctrine" alone be covered in Ontario schools.

Yet private Christian schools that grant Ontario high school diplomas already must follow the Ontario curriculum, Vannasselt said, which means offering biology courses that teach evolution.

"We don't see tensions between our faith and scientific inquiry. Whether God created the Earth in seven days or whether He used the Big Bang theory - who knows for sure? We weren't there."

Jewish day schools that grant Ontario high school diplomas also must follow the curriculum and offer biology courses that teach evolution - even though some branches of Judaism believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis, said Seymour Epstein, senior vice-president of the United Jewish Federation's Centre for Enhancement of Jewish Education.

"There are literally centuries of interpretation of the story of Genesis, and there is no one approach taken by all our schools," he said.

"But you can see dinosaurs being taught in some grade schools just like any other school."

So schools should start the process of appreciating great art and they can't do that in an atheist, materialist agenda because to such an agenda it's all meaningless and one cannot experience the "oceanic feeling" with stuff that is meaningless.

Everybody I ever met has found trying to explain Shakespeare or Moxart by evolution theory ridiculous. How does a monkey evolve to write Finnegans Wake or invent, fit and operate the Internet circuits. That requires some astounding mutation I must say. Genesis might have some details a bit out but to many people it is a better explanation than a mutation.

Dwelling on the wisdom herein just gives me a roaring headache, mostly from laughing so hard.

The materialist's idea of art. Neat little pigeon-holes labelled and familiarised with for one purpose only which is to name drop them as a method of demonstrating one's artistic profundity which is particularly sad in view of the fact that is does the entire opposite thing to an audience which knows which way up it is and particularly insulting in that it presumes it hasn't got such an audience.

Pipped by the claque.