The arguments of the anti-IDers on this thread, which are there for all to see on the moving finger having writ principle, were all put on the record in the late 18th Century by the Marquis de Sade and are therefore a trifle cliched. They are-
1- A rejection of God because of all the evil and misery He permits in the world.
2-A rejection of The Church whose explanations cannot satisfy their idea of reason which has been derived from a lazy and self flattering education. Majoring in math does sound good I'll admit. Judging from this thread I should think that means that one can work the checkout till in a supermarket satisfactorily most of the time.
3- A rejection of The Church whose representitives so completely belied the principles they professed to observe as if those representitives are not chaps just like themselves.
All over 200 years old and well known to anybody who does any serious work in the Movers and Shakers Department.
Here is a bit of the maestro hisself in the part of Saint-Fond (a fictional character)-
Quote:The force of the sceptre depends on that of the thurible; these two authorities have the greatest interest in mutual help and it is only by dividing them that the masses will shake off the yoke. Nothing makes people so abject as religious fears; it is right that they should fear eternal punishment if they revolt against their king; that is why the European powers are always on good terms with Rome.
Yeah- right your eminence. Have you tried imagining the masses having shaken off all yokes. An anarchist's dream I should think. 300 million having shaken off all the yokes is a fine prospect indeed. Or is Mass Media the new yoke?
Is not this whole debate about the American schizophrenic attitude to authority. Hating something one needs.
And now you know where separation of Church and State was first mooted as a policy by which the masses would be abled to shake off all the yokes. And they locked the silly sod up
sine die.
Here is an example of how silly he was-
Quote: Religion is dangerous as a basis on which to build morality; for if the falseness of the foundations is recognized the whole edifice will tumble down. Similarly the fact that it may be a consolation to some is not sufficient reason for it. "I cannot see that the desire to appease a few fools," says the Mother superior to Juliette, "is worth the poisoning of millions of honest folk..."
Do you see how this fatuity is posited on there being some "honest folks" never mind there being millions of them. Has anybody on here ever met a member of that class of persons leaving aside assertions to the contrary. It's just base flattery. And just suppose that the "some" and the "few fools" is 90 odd % of the voters.
Imagine the edifice falling down for a moment. Don't dwell upon it. Watch a video.
Our PM often indulges himself with the phrase "hard working people up and down the land" when he wants to make the lazy sods feel good about themselves. I can't see our PM being deluded on a matter such as that. And neither can I imagine de Sade being deluded on the subject of "honest folks". Apart from Joe (I'm not a phoney) Nation I mean.
At least de Sade had, and our PM has, a good excuse for cynicism of this order. What's your excuse wande?