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Intelligent Design Theory: Science or Religion?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 16 Jun, 2007 05:17 pm
Coolwhip: Just a side note; I think labelling everyone who does not support the ID crusade, anti-ID, is just as dumb as calling muslims anti-christians.

Explain why? I fail to see the connection.
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farmerman
 
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Sat 16 Jun, 2007 05:18 pm
Coolwhip, I can live with the title, and proudly so. Although you realize that its merely an invention of Spendi in order for him to try to occupy some higher ground within a debate in which he is totally unarmed. Name calling is part of the game .
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Coolwhip
 
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Sat 16 Jun, 2007 05:33 pm
Well, of course anyone who does not support the
ID teachings, is ultimately anti-ID. But that person
obviously has a different understanding of the world
that ID followers. Just as a Christians has quite a
different world view that Muslims -or atheists for that
matter, but you don't call everyone who is not a
Christian, anti-Christian.

I don't have any problem with the label either, it's just
that it's a cheap way to create a "them vs. us"
situation to force people to pick sides. Which is, IMO,
dishonest.
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spendius
 
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Sat 16 Jun, 2007 05:44 pm
It isn't dishonest to me.

If you are not a Christian you are anti-Christian.

It's in the nature of the case.

Jellyfish live in the shallows and should be avoided due to their nasty stings which you don't see coming.
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aidan
 
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Sat 16 Jun, 2007 11:56 pm
Sorry to interrupt -I don't know why I got a notification to this post on this thread, but I did, and this is just so blatantly intellectually dishonest (though you say you're being honest):

Quote:
If you are not a Christian you are anti-Christian
.
Does this apply to all states of being? Does that mean that in your mind, if you're not Jewish, you are anti-Jew? If you're not Spanish, are you anti-Spanish? If you're not a child, are you anti-child? ...
You have to be something in order not to be against it?
I can see how one might say, "If you're not a Christian, you cannot fully understand what it means to be a Christian", and that would apply to all other states of being...especially if you're unwilling to listen and learn what it might mean beyond your outsider's perception about what it may mean, and stubbornly stick with your preconceived and possibly false views of what you think it means.
But what you've stated here is just as blatantly false.

Quote:
It's in the nature of the case.

Just curious how it's the nature of what case?
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farmerman
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 04:40 am
Separated at birth, Rex Red and Spendius.
They both make little sense

They both try to make their arguments by irrelevancies

They both live in cold countries
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aidan
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 06:32 am
And that's probably as much of an explanation as I'll get...thanks Farmerman (although England is not nearly as cold as Maine- not by a longshot).
By the way- hope you are doing okay- I read about your scare...and I know it can be scary- my father has the same problem...anyway it sounds like you're doing what you're supposed to do-so that's good.
Also- happy father's day. :wink:
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farmerman
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 10:32 am
awwww-thanks. I got a lime green silk tie and a dark blue pimpoint shirt from my style conscioous daughter. usually Im in jeans.
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Setanta
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 10:35 am
Coolwhip wrote:
Well, of course anyone who does not support the
ID teachings, is ultimately anti-ID. But that person
obviously has a different understanding of the world
that ID followers. Just as a Christians has quite a
different world view that Muslims -or atheists for that
matter, but you don't call everyone who is not a
Christian, anti-Christian.

I don't have any problem with the label either, it's just
that it's a cheap way to create a "them vs. us"
situation to force people to pick sides. Which is, IMO,
dishonest.


Assuredly. There are hosts of people, possibly even billions of people who are not Christian, and who are also by no stretch of the imagination anti-Christian. It is simply meaningless to them. And those who oppose the teaching of "intelligent design" as science don't do so because they willfully oppose anyone's fairy tales, but because they oppose the notion that fairy tales should be introduced into a science curriculum.

But ultimately, most people in the world don't care about this topic, either.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 10:39 am
My wife asked me what I wanted; breakfast, lunch or dinner (out, ofcoarese). She gave me a kiss in place of a card. That's what happens in our senior years.
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NickFun
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 10:55 am
At your age being married so many years that's as close to a blow job as you wil get...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 11:13 am
Nick, Gotta admit, you are right! Wink
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spendius
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 04:38 pm
aidan wrote-

Quote:
Does this apply to all states of being? Does that mean that in your mind, if you're not Jewish, you are anti-Jew? If you're not Spanish, are you anti-Spanish? If you're not a child, are you anti-child?


Try not to be so ridiculous my dear. If you wish to tell everybody that you are as thick as two short planks and don't understand the society you live in and which provides you with the many benefits you have what can I do about that?

I wrote it-

"If you are not a Christian you are anti-Christian."

I stand by it. I'll go further- If you are not a Christian you are an animal.

Why don't you start grunting and be honest about it.

What a load of silly sods you lot are.
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maporsche
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 04:45 pm
spendius wrote:
aidan wrote-

Quote:
Does this apply to all states of being? Does that mean that in your mind, if you're not Jewish, you are anti-Jew? If you're not Spanish, are you anti-Spanish? If you're not a child, are you anti-child?


Try not to be so ridiculous my dear. If you wish to tell everybody that you are as thick as two short planks and don't understand the society you live in and which provides you with the many benefits you have what can I do about that?

I wrote it-

"If you are not a Christian you are anti-Christian."

I stand by it. I'll go further- If you are not a Christian you are an animal.

Why don't you start grunting and be honest about it.

What a load of silly sods you lot are.


Soooooo back to her question.....'If you are not a Jew are you anti-Jew?'
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aidan
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 04:47 pm
Spendius wrote:
Quote:
If you are not a Christian you are an animal.

Why don't you start grunting and be honest about it.


I don't have to - because I am a Christian (in that I do revere and try to follow Jesus Christ's example when dealing with my fellow humans).

How about you- should you start grunting?
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spendius
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 04:52 pm
Settin' Aah-aah wrote-

Quote:
Assuredly. There are hosts of people, possibly even billions of people who are not Christian, and who are also by no stretch of the imagination anti-Christian. It is simply meaningless to them.


I can't imagine an utter fatuity which reaches higher ground of fatuousness that that. It is one of the stupidest statements that I have ever heard. The idea that the person who made it has had a costly education beggars belief.
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Chumly
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 05:11 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
My wife asked me what I wanted; breakfast, lunch or dinner (out, ofcoarese). She gave me a kiss in place of a card. That's what happens in our senior years.
It would be more accurate to say that eating out has become a rather pedestrian affair.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 05:15 pm
We're driving. LOL
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 05:19 pm
Hi Chumly, Why don't you come at the same time to San Francisco as Merry Andrew; I can take the both of you on some tours outside the city.
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farmerman
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2007 07:54 pm
"If youre not a Christian , youre anti-Christian"

However your mind works spendi, its amusing in its summation skills, all wet inside and out, but fascinating. Consider this Herr quafmeister, many people consider Christainity , or any religion for that matter, of the same importance as what brand of bathroom tissue to buy. If they buy Charmin one week, they are certainly not "anti-Puffs".

Have "anti-Christians" been ganging up on you and ruining your "vespers" at the public house?
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